On 21 Dec 2015, Dedi wrote:
You see, the Anonymous Coward (AW) actually tnihks that you get more snow when it's a colder winter.It doesn't work that way, AW. Warm air moving over water sources picks up more moisture than cold air, resulting in more precipitation.When that warm air hits a mass of cold air the warmer air cools, releasing its moisture, making snow. Here in Toronto, we can that the "lake effect."Anyway, Global Warming is about climatic change, and does not mean that all locales will get warmer.
On 07 Aug 2015, JOHN DOUGLAS wrote:
These Danes explain everything in two hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3jXCo3BVuA&spfreload=1
On 01 Aug 2015, Bob Weber, N Mich subscriber wrote:
Closing out July for once in a blue moon today under forecasted showery and cool temps here after heat receded from our "summer" that lasted a few weeks, where temps got into the 80s and 90s here. Piers' July 14-16 USA was excellent, as his "major t-storms, tornadoes, floods, giant hail over large area Midwest, Great Lakes, & NE" was perfectly captured on http://www.hail-reports.com/. Train of lows trekked across N tier states 17th-22nd per forecast, very active weather w/hail & tornadoes waited until the 23rd. No tornadoes/hail in S. CA yet... 23rd got cool in NW, in the 40's & 50's in much of CA, per forecast. Heat wave 23rd-29th here & southward. Low pressure trough 26th-28th as forecast- hail & tornadoes in 7 MW states, and hail in NE during the R4. Cool in NW 29th-31st, 60's, 10-20 degrees less than rest of US, per forecast- no showers. Hail in NB today. July F10.7 ave was 107!! Aug @ 103!! SST & OHC both down a notch in June!! ENSO to peak/decline w/o warming solar blasts.
On 31 Jul 2015, Carl 30d Subscriber wrote:
Rode my bike to work this morning late July!!!! I thought it was a cold November morning.What a superb forecast Piers even frost in the some of the hollows>july waqs also a great forecast.I went to the Royal International air tattoo at R.A.F Fairford for a few days and on the Friday of the show the MetO who provided the forecast for R.I.A.T said over the public address tail end of a cold front front going through and the cloud layer will lift Oh Dear Oh dear the heavens opened giving everybody a soaking and this is what made me laugh out loud The public address system.The MetO do not know where this rain has come from.Their forecast for the whole weekend (except Saturday) was a total load of bull.Rain on Sunday they said on the Friday but a great deal of uncertanty (surprise surprise) regular saying theses days.But before i went i looked at Piers forecast and although 2 forecast periods overlapped he indicated a mix bag Yes rain but by no means a washout.Sunday was glorious sun
On 31 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine... The Inuit will say anything for a fat pay cheque. Wasn't it Neil Young, the whining American folk singer who took an Inuit elder on tour with him to promote Global Warming. This guy was telling the same story about how the sun was rising in a different position to normal, and how they couldn't catch many seals cos they'd all migrated further north(?). All baloney of course as we 'more enlightened' folk see through the smokescreens of their hidden agenda..... Very warm and sunny out of the wind yesterday, although I noticed hardy walkers had windproof jackets on, but it's flippin freezin as of 5am this morning (Friday).
On 31 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30 & feeling colder even than yesterday in the still blustery N’ly wind. Occasional sunny spells, not as many as yesterday but temps still getting up to 16˚, wind stopped by 5pm and temp down to 8˚ by midnight.
On 30 Jul 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// interesting article Innuit people and polar shift - item saying tribe maintain no global warming - earth has wobbled sun rises in different place days warm quicker and the shift is 20 degrees- NASA investigates
On 30 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Cloud built up during the day to produce some showers to the south of London. Train passed through one on its journey south but a dry cycle home. Cool enough not to need to take my pullover off for the ride home. Seen comments from people about having their heating on in July. Not had to put mine on and would just light the fire rather than put the heating on. The sun warms my house during the day and it stays on into the evening. My old house would probably have not be so warm. Sunny spells again today with the ever present breeze. Note that the SFU is still way down and has probably met Bob's prediction of it staying below 125 all month. The Al Gore freeze effect has hit Melbourne since he arrived with low temps.
On 30 Jul 2015, Harris Keillar - annual subscriber wrote:
Cairngorm went below freezing earlier today and it was snowing though not lying yesterday at the top.
On 30 Jul 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK. Sub wrote:
In Dorset we have had a dry time of it this summer what rain did fall was not any good you could call it mist and cloud, that said we have had a nice drop over the last week on and off which did some good, it is a smiley day here this morning with clear blue skies as of 9.30 temp about 17.
On 30 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
I see the Scotsman newspaper is carrying a feature on today's wintry weather. I 'll take it with a larger pinch of road-salt than the gritter truck in the photo is spreading, but even to contemplate such a photo-story at this time of year is worthy of note. I'm going to nip up on the bus today and go up to the Cairngprms and see for myself.
On 30 Jul 2015, Richard Tate wrote:
Hi Piers and the rest of the WeatherAction community.
Thank you for keeping my brain fed with interesting comments and observations as I live out here in Papua New Guinea.
It has struck me that if any of you are or know of a good web designer and SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) specialist?
Then a simple but visually clear site that displays the historical accuracy of weather predictions of at least 5 days ahead between Weatheraction and MetO or other official forecasters might begin to open people's eyes. Especially food growers who need to be doubly aware of this for harvesting and storing of the populations food supplies.
Any ideas on this?
Keep up the fascinating comments everyone.
Piers, I hope your brother wins! :@)
On 29 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30 and feeling really cold in the strong N’ly wind, so we were all geared up for an Arctic blast - but as the morning progressed, we got more and more sunny spells and temps climbed to 16˚, which was not bad in view of the wind. Wherever the flies found some shelter, they congregated, including in the lee of yours truly. I had already thought of a few phrases of doom for tonights comment but while we didn’t have the most summer-like day as you did, Ron, it was quite bearable, within the parameters of what we got used to this month, that is. A bit too windy to take the trees out of the tunnel, they can get scorched, but tomorrow should be calmer. 10˚ by 9.30pm and feeling really cold again.
On 29 Jul 2015, east side wrote:
This summer turned out much as predicted for northern Europe.
It's now as good as over.
A year "without a summer"for most of European Russia/Scandinavia, while over the south of Europe - Italy - France, particularly northern Italy & Eastern France was affected by a ferocious heatwave driven by a strong southerly JS driving up hot air from north Africa.
This will certainly affect crop yields.
2015 will be a summer to remember.
It heralds the first signs of a period of much more extreme cold just around the corner with 6 week longer winters/shorter growing seasons.-
Such a late cold spring that the migrating birds held off their flights for a full 3 weeks to their arctic summer feeding grounds & lime blossom is only just out in the Baltic states now.
I suggest the migrators are all going to leave early this year, with the swallows leaving well before end of August.
These creatures are not stupid.
They don't need £100m computers to tell them how to survive over millenia.
On 29 Jul 2015, BLACK PEARL wrote:
PIERS Just a thought
If Jeremy gets to be PM in the future do you think he will appoint you MetOffice Head.
Wouldn't that be fun :)
On 29 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Mobeeb central going for lows down to 1C in Highland glens tonight, whilst local ITV going for lows of 4-6 C, so why the difference? If Piers gave a 4-600% difference in projected temperatures he would be ridiculed.
On 29 Jul 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
Yes Ron. I agree re showing support and have just bought another 12 month sub
On 29 Jul 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
Eh Kent? I don`t see any waffle from Gerry or Russ. Outdoor temperature has been a steady 45 degree climb from 8 this morning and is now 19. As it climbed, it got windier and brighter, no wind speeds at the mo as my station has gone in to have a sensor replaced but the apple trees behind me are swaying quite a lot. Observation: children at school got quite wild when weather is windy, does that mean that there will be more national bad behaviour the windier it gets? Personally, I don`t like constant wind
On 29 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Nice to hear that your input is appreciated. Was deadheading and putting out washing at dusk and it was very chilly for a July evening. Spring or Autumn came to mind and as a camper it would have been a night to curl up in the sleeping bag for certain. Clear blue sky this morning with less breeze. Cold enough overnight for condensation on the outside of my bedroom window which is upstairs in a west facing chalet bungalow. Chilly ride to station and no need to remove coat on the train to cool down. Sunny spells as cloud has bubbled up. Warm in the sunshine. Finland set to record coldest Summer on record unless they get a big increase in +20C days next month. Conceded that it is not looking likely they will. Interesting to note warmest temp for Finland recorded at.....surprise surprise an airport.
On 29 Jul 2015, Mike (45d subs) wrote:
Latest news on El Nino. Of course it will also impact North Atlantic weather if it powers up!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/27/why-a-super-el-nino-could-still-be-a-bust-for-california-drought-relief/
On 29 Jul 2015, Ron Greer( 6 mth Sub) wrote:
what a difference a day has made to the MObeeb week- ahead forecast!. What happened to the cool westerlies and where did the weekend warmth suddenly come from? Don't worry if you don't have a clue---neither do they! Yes Paddy they are even backtracking ion the Arctic blast now--today is the most summer-like one we've had for a week.
On 29 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Big clouds some blue sky and sunshine this morning, quite windy at times, later dark clouds moved in followed shortly by heavy rain showers with a small bit of hail on one occasion, cool, max temp 13-15 deg. W'ly wind switched to a v. light N'ly breeze. Some reports of thunder in some counties :)
On 28 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, grey and overcast with a cold N’ly wind blowing all day, though there were some slightly sunny spells and in sheltered spots max temp got to 17˚ and the flies went berserk out of the wind, never had so many crawling all over me as today. Mostly dry, with a brief wet spell around 3pm, 11˚ by 10pm and raining lightly. So far, the Arctic blast isn’t too bad.
On 28 Jul 2015, kent weald wrote:
when a blog is trundling along and the weather is following Piers prediction rather well, a bit of waffle gives us all something to read and certainly on this blog much for the brain to mull over. Shaun, Gerry Russ etc carry on please your keeping my grey cell active - thanks
Weather dry, windy with some warm sunshine at times. Must be the variable part of the forecast....
On 28 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
With some very interesting times ahead and the scurrilous attacks on Piers, by the gutter press regarding his brother's candidacy for Labour leadership, I have just taken out a new 6 month 30 day subscription. Now what about those record July frosts predicted by the MObeeb?
On 28 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Can hardly believe my ears these days, when the Mobeeb are going on about the Atlantic being much cooler than normal, predicting maximum temperatures of 10-13C for the Central Lowlands of Scotland and pointing out the potential for record July frosts Wed-Thurs---eh!?
On 28 Jul 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK, sub wrote:
Shawn Wales wrote about waffle, if you compare someone who has an opinion against someone who says nothing give me waffle any day. Waffling is good I do it all the time as you can see below.
On 28 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Well, the past couple of months have been sunny and cold, hazy and cold, cloudy and cold and now to put icing on the cake we have raining and cold. There were, accepted, the odd day or two of Heathrow-like temperature spikes to give a true feeling of summer, but on the whole that biting wind was always going to be the mud-splats on a new car. I wonder what excuses the Met Office, IPCC and news mouthpieces will dream up to explain why the planet seems to be getting cooler with deadly low temperatures, snow, ice, crop failures, livestock starved and frozen etc.?
On 27 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Some showers mixed in but mostly windy cool with grey & dark sky all day but 2 short glimpses of something positively bright and sunny to keep us cheery :) max temp 13 deg. Irish weather online fb posted Donegal was colder than Iceland today!-) they have also stated a few times this week that although the models are uncertain we should be aware that a deepening low remnants of a sub trop. storm could make for some strong wind and heavy rain on Sunday esp. for the west coast of Ireland.. Did that sound nitty gritty enough? what does nitty gritty sound like? Where's the science based evidence for it...lol!-)
On 27 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, drying NE’ly breeze all day, a little sun from time to time, so temps managed to climb to 18˚, most likely due to the fact that my N-facing thermometer is sheltered by buildings behind it, so it was quite still in that spot, different when the wind is from the NW. Dry all day though, courtesy of the Greenland High, even though there were some dark clouds, whereas further S & W it appears to have been wet all day, Perth racecourse was waterlogged. 13˚ at 9pm. ==MARIA Somerset:, here silage has been made successfully, but hay looks like out of the question. Grain is nowhere near ready, which is normal for us at this time. Also not sure what you meant by waffle? Personally I like it in the plural and with icing sugar & coffee :-) == RICHARD E mids: I agree that Piers has been spot on this month, good that you did that evaluation a few months ago; 60% - Mobeeb, eat your heart out!
On 27 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
Suppose waffle isn't easily defined, what you may consider waffle others may not, what others think is waffle may not be consistent with your own views, often there is no unanimously agreed definitions of waffle and then I think tolerance is the best method
On 27 Jul 2015, Steve Dorset,UK, sub wrote:
Don,t panic it is quite normal to get mixed weather this time of year, grain standing in fields is a common sight this time of year right into sept or even October down here in Dorset, we never dug main crop spuds until October so don,t panic. Always good to have a supply of tinned goods in store to get you past anything winter can throw at you, cold baked beans yuk. Got me generator now so unless I run out of fuel all will be ok.
On 27 Jul 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
I have just travelled 8 miles and seen several fields of ripe standing grain crops, this is going to be a disaster for the farmers, unless they are very quick to harvest, maybe tomorrow and the next day. Their drying costs will be v high but they will have to do it or fungus will take the crop as well as the high risk of being flattened by the end of the month. I have started to get some extra stores in for the winter months. 17 degrees and it feels and looks like autumn
On 27 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Cloudy and breezy start this morning and no sign of any summer warmth. Brightening to odd glimpse of sun but signs of showers around. Office colleague quoted that a heatwave is due next month, presumably from a source who can't get it right a day ahead. Cold in Peru has claimed a quarter of a million alpacas who have no shelter from the -21C cold and deep snow. So can the snow in Scotland make it through the whole summer?
On 27 Jul 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
There was a mad scramble here and in devon to get the harvest in, lots of trailer loads of cut grass for clamp silage and trailer after trailer of grain. They worked to the last minute and raced up and down the narrow lanes. I fear that some have missed the window of opportunity. I cut the haulms off my potatoes a couple of weeks ago and will bring all of them in later this week, luckily didn`t grow many this time. I am starting to accumulate some food stores as I don`t have good vibes about the month to come. August won`t right the potential food deficit
On 27 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
anyone who comes here after reading the POLITICALLY MOTIVATED press all i would say is I did a a review for months on the WA long range forecasts all documented on this site [it was NEVER censored] and found it never dropped below 60%. I also compare it with Met office [that gets £100s millions tax money] and they never got about 25%. So who has the science? Those who can predict or those who rant about co2 as a cause but can't predict anything. Meto even have a negative bias in their forecasting so it turns out worse than random? So do yourself a favour get a WA subscription for a year and compare it to Met office and see for yourself. Don't be a sheep and believe others. Do the test for yourself. Be part of the science.
On 27 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
I see the express are bearing false witness on 'climate-change denying' WA to bash the labour election where they tried to paint piers a total loon and the forecast example they give is one that went wrong. ie 2008, January. I notice they don't compare WA record to the worse Met Office record [funded by hundreds of millions from the taxpayer]. its actually a sign of weakness that the far right can't go after Jeremy except by trying to paint false pictures about WA. Although it was ALWAYS going to happen. No doubt there will be more till the election is over. Useful time to put up a special sub for all those who will be coming along with a record of the successful long range forecasts at the top of the home page for all to see easily lol?
On 27 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
Does anyone know what the sea temperatures around the UK are? Reason is that it occurs to me that with this cool summer and persistent cool winds, the sea around the UK won't warm as much as usual which could mean that winter is proportionally colder?
On 27 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Today the 26th was wet and windy which began the previous evening, clearing a bit this afternoon max temp 16 deg. July forecast has been as Piers said it would be here too.
On 26 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Wet and quite windy for most of the day. 9mm of rain recorded. All water storage is full as are my ponds. Not Summer weather at all. Good pieces by Booker today on the growing icecaps contrary to all the models and on the solar panel stupidity. He highlights the cherry picking - don't they always do that - of claims that solar was providing about 15% of our power for a short period of low load one afternoon. I hear it doesn't supply too much overnight. But that highlights the problem for those managing the grid - sudden short surges of power that need to have other sources wound down and then of course brought back again. Madness.
On 26 Jul 2015, Harris Keillar - Edinburgh 150msubscriber wrote:
Update on Scottish snow - Iain Cameron tweeted this earlier today - Iain Cameron @theiaincameron · 11 hrs11 hours ago
My sources tell me snow was falling on Ben Nevis's summit yesterday. Incredibly rare, given the year is almost at thermal maximum.
from yesterday -Iain Cameron @theiaincameron · Jul 25
With August around the corner, Helen Rennie puts some turns down at Ciste Mhearad on Cairn Gorm y'day. @CairngormMtn
and from the 22nd -Iain Cameron @theiaincameron · Jul 22
Candidate for lowest snow in Scotland? c550m a.s.l. in the Lost Valley, Glen Coe. Pic by Andrew John Finnimore.
On 26 Jul 2015, Harris Keillar - Edinburgh 150msubscriber wrote:
Snow on Tuesday - possible. This is from the MWIS site - Cool northerly winds on Tuesday and Wednesday will bring very clear air but also widespread showers by afternoon with local hail, thunder and even a little snow on very highest Scottish summits. There will be the annual snow patch count on August 22nd and more volunteers needed as there are so many this year. Contact Iain Cameron if interested.
On 26 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30, overcast most of the day with occasional sunny spells in the morning, enough to enjoy a picnic in a nearby forest, though out of the cool/cold E’ly wind the flies were tenaciously & irritatingly buzzing close to us in their flyish way. Max temp 16˚, down to 11˚ at 9pm. == On the way home we saw asperatus clouds, I took some pictures - CRAIG, do you still have somewhere to post pics? (Probably asked you before). RON: you’re right, of course, I haven’t bothered to look at the MO’s SP charts for quite a while, 5d forecast certainly saying 12˚ max on Wed. Thermal underwear for veg?
On 26 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MARIA ( Somerset), I see that you are another observer commenting on the unusual autumn feel. I don't consider observations like that waffle, they might be anecdotal, but not waffle and can at least be backed with temperature, rainfall, wind speed and sunshine hours data Those who have commented on this early autumn feeling are picking up all this intuitively. What nitty- gritty are you seeking to see on these threads?
On 26 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS(Derbyshire):-Yup, can't see the remaining snow patches melting before August with the current forecast. We are talking temperatures more than 5 degrees cooler than the average maximum. PADDY:- The true Arctic air is not due till Tuesday/Wed, so timeyet for some pretty sharp frost for the time of year. For me the question is---will it snow on the higher Grampian tops? It might just do that. Loving hearing the MObeeb struggling with the 'unseasonably cool weather' etc.
On 26 Jul 2015, steven wright wrote:
perfect july forecast 10 out of 10 it has turned cool here in hitchin with rain on and off
On 26 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
(relates to 25..07) So far, the Arctic blast hasn’t quite materialised yet, but it is cooler: 10˚C overnight, 12˚ at 7.30, sunny start, followed by clouds with intermittent glimpses of the sun, which meant that it still got to 20˚ at the warmest. I was expecting rain from what the radio weather person said but we had very little. N’ly breeze to start with, in the afternoon it turned SE’ly. 10˚C at midnight, still a tiny bit of brightness in the north, but that will be gone soon as the nights are beginning to draw in. == Shaun: yes, T Grandin is a bit of a star in some ways, but her work is really sound and what she has done for cattle in the US is remarkable. Her description of the autism spectrum is valuable information for anyone, all very logical, no frills and plenty of insight.
On 26 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
RON... yes welcome back. So large snow patches into August, now that's quite shocking........ CRAIG... "..by the time you get up to stratospheric levels e.g. 10hpa, the winds flow in the opposite direction east-west"..... I believe this has something to do with atmospheric electric charge flow, like charge separation as in gaseous plasmas. About 1 million volts between the ground and space, and many different temperature changes, up and down, as you get above 5km. If the incoming charge from the solar wind can introduce major power-ups to a storm, then what is the general effect on our atmospheric gases in general? Don't we see similar mechanics in the solar photosphere? With electrically charged gas molecules being pushed and pulled around en masse due to a build up of negative or positive magnetic flux. Much hotter and much higher charge, billions of volts I believe, but basically we see different layers moving in opposite directions.... Weather-wise? Just sunny spells and chi!!y..
On 26 Jul 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
pouring down today again, sunday and down by several degrees. A months rain fell on friday. Got the aug forecast and don`t have much hope for the more exotics like squash but cabbages thriving. Blight will be problematic. Feels autumnal. Got to say that the thread is not the nitty gritty that it was, so much rambling waffle now, offputting tbh
On 26 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
STEVE(Dorset) note that you are also noticing the autumn ambience, even so far south. Up here about 30% of my Asiatic Rowan saplings are showing autumnal tints. They can fool all of the people some of the time, but they can't fool nature.
On 26 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
(Part 2) Apparently, the evidence points to changes in Cloud Albedo as the cause of Climate Change, what else in thermodynamics could drag the temperature of an Oceanic mass, 270 times that of the Atmosphere. So for me, Piers seems to have the answers for a 40 day forecast. And Henrik Svensmark seems to have the answers as to why there was a Global Warming period, and why this is going to be followed by a Mini-Ice Age.
On 26 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
Shaun (Wales): Your experience is common to Mensa members, but does produce an independence of thought from any mindless consensus. I find that the error of thought is also prevalent with most so called sceptics, such as the head of the GWPF. Therefore to solve the error of thought, read Gerhard Gerlich’s paper (Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics, Gerhard Gerlich, 2009). And then the paper (Unified Theory of Climate, Ned Nikolov & Karl Zeller, 2011) for the solution. The best correlation with Climate Change seems to be the length of the Solar Cycle, which can be predicted using Keplers laws. A barycentre wobble which determines the average speed of plasma in the Sun over one Solar cycle, and therefore the average Solar magnetic strength over said Solar Cycle.
On 25 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Writing on the 6th July a Norwegian colleague informed me 'These last few days I've been on Hardangervidda on skis. Extremely much snow this summer and all the lakes were still frozen. Did 63 km on skis on the last for days'' Does this sound like AGW to anyone?
On 25 Jul 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK. Sub wrote:
Turned out nice again, warm autumn sunshine here. Or that is what I think it feels like. I see my comments of late have been censored as they haven't appeared which is a bit unfortunate.
On 25 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
@Maria Thanks, I appreciate your understanding and likewise. I frequent this forum as it is hard to get the kind of information I do here... untainted
On 25 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Shaun ( Wales ) don't worry about rambling I love this site because of its rambling, it's where I find a wider view and perspectives that help me understand a lot of what I was too naive and brainwashed to comprehend and question at school and realise it really is good to think outside the box..
On 25 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... I do keep coming across the Authors name as almost an idol of the spectrum. The long rambling likely seems off topic but it was my attempt at explaining my feelings with AGW. People seem to be happy to adopt a highly speculative theory without questioning, totally discounting and not considering all other explanations or theories which strikes me as unscientific then hitting me with a psychological stick because I dare be different and have my own opinions.
I am a visual thinking autistic myself, if I remember correctly she understands animal behavior exceptionally well, maybe there is some helpful info in it for me.
On 25 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... good reason to believe in something. Even down to the level of close family, although more tolerant and civil than non family for obvious reason, tend to not see me or talk to me much as I always end up challenging their highly tainted so called common knowledge or old wives tales as I like to say. Just a small example, as an ultrarunner I am out doors a lot and everyone tells me how I will catch myself a cold, complete nonsense but it is just inherited beliefs that go unchallenged which to me the logic seems so obvious it is shocking people still believe it. Anyway, I also have a stereotypical trait of rambling one sided conversations, likely another reason people often don't talk to me haha. I wouldn't have it any other way though, I am not going to bend my beliefs or moral code to be accepted into social circles. I don't wish to be normal if normal means being something I am not, existentially speaking freedom is being truly ones self. I'll check out the book...
On 25 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Must admit to a fair amount of Schadenfruede at the MObeeb weather forecasts having to repeatedly use 'unseasonably cool, autumnal, chilly nights' etc in their prognosis for the week ahead. It's a great 'groaning season' for the warmists if not a good growing season for most of us.
On 25 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
@Paddy thanks for the recommendation. Yea I certainly don't get along well with people... not that I am a nasty person, on the contrary I am always trying to be respectful, understanding and tolerant etc but my issues are that I tend to have my own opinions formed through my own reading and have spent years avoiding fashionable ideas just because that is what it takes to get accepted into the clicks. I always try to point out to people other considerations they should have before formulating a belief as so many people just jump on the band wagon without open mindedness, without questioning or even being prepared to consider the equally valid alternatives which are really equally valid until you have sufficient evidence to discount them; the issue here is that people tend not to like being challenged or disagreed with and civility goes out the window in a debate, I become the bad guy as I disagree with the majority which confuses me as I can't help my automatic mode of wanting...
On 25 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Just when you think the warmists couldn't get any worse we had this complete and utter bullsh*t on our TV news tonight from none other than James Hansen https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/simulation-shows-unavoidable-3m-auckland-sea-level-rise-q02974.
Unbelievable, well obviously not to that charlatan James Renwick at Victoria University.
On 24 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Mix of cloud sunny spells and a breeze the last couple of days, humid evening for a time last night but felt a drop in temp towards midnight, some clearer starry nights previously too, this morning 12 deg at 10 a.m nice sunny start again but like yesterday clouding over with the addition of some showers early eve. Max 16 by day feeling on the cool side, first ripe tomato today was worth the wait :)
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
On 17 Apr 2014, CraigM wrote - "Something Roger Tallbloke has been saying for a while that the next El Nino will release all that the ocean heat to space-but this time with no underlying solar recharge (see Bob's comments below)-& that's when the cold will really kick in. With an AMO turning negative around then the 2020s could be quite cold. Normally the heat takes ~10y for the currents to move the energy to the Arctic & discharge (i.e. '97 super Nino +10=2007 Arctic melt). All the heat Bob said was accumulating but has also been flowing out of Arctic in more open seas. The Arctic melt of recent years, which may have turned a corner going on multi year increase, is a symptom of the heat but will not keep melting when the burners are low. Without an ice 'lid' (melted from below) + with the solar burner turned down low...don't expect our ocean based 'hottest decade' to last. We are wobbling now as the circulation adjusts to a new climate regime"
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
...an interesting period awaits us now that connections are 'off'. ((Bob if you are reading any thoughts?). // Correction to winter 15/16 - NW-NE quadrant windflow rather than N/NE. Think of it like the progression of winds as a low pressure passes - warm south winds to start, then mixing then a cold northerly stream to follow. Also when you think of global winds in the Northern Hemisphere, which run (wavily) west-east - by the time you get up to stratospheric levels e.g. 10hpa, the winds flow in the opposite direction east-west.
On 24 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
The longest spell of rain we have had in quite a while. Off and mainly on all day into the evening. Much needed to replenish my empty butts and freshen up the garden. NE wind had the planes taking off to the east today. Sunspots dropping again and SFU under 90 now. Problems supplying some of the northern communities in Canada due to the ice which was supposed to have melted away by now - and if Gore was to be believed, totally. Much discussion on WUWT as to whether a giant El Nino is building to make 2015 the warmest on record, hey, if not they can always 'adjust' the figures as usual ready for Paris.
On 24 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
SHAUN: re autism, I just read Temple Grandin’s Thinking in Pictures, highly recommended. People on the spectrum most often can see right through the BS, which doesn’t make them popular with the so-called ‘normals’.
On 24 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
7˚C overnight, 12˚ at 7.30, sunny start with heat building nicely, but then the dark clouds from the West started rolling in and by 11.30 we had a shower, which I expected to turn into a stationary affair as per MO forecast. Nothing came of that though as by 3pm it was bright again and got to 20˚ until about 7pm when the clouds came back. 12˚ at 9.30pm. == RON: wisteria & walnuts I can only dream of here (sigh), we have to be happy with ivy & hazelnuts, of which we have a few on our bushes, still tiny. I’ve been going on about our veg looking good, but not all: tomatoes very slow, likewise cucumbers & courgettes, the coming arctic blast will not do them much good. I would echo CRAIG: being a subscriber helps me to take a longer term view which helps planning and confidence, nuff said.
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
...to add 2010 was a Nino year so who knows. // CView - try === http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/indices.shtml === it should be a strong one and shows all the signs of being so so far. I've been saying for years that Tallbloke had this time pegged for a strong one (warmists last hurrah) but whilst the warmists will have fits it's the cold Nina that follows Nino that we have to watch for. Where we end up when the 'balance' is reset -are we going to be stepping up or down? I fear the latter and all the heat released will head into space. Think about all the solar max heat built in the past few decades (say 76 onwards after a cool SC20) that was a time the magnetic connections were 'on'. On a pure scientific/curiosity basis and with all our satellite data it will be a privilege to watch it the way down but will a world told the only way is up handle cooling? Even without the sun, the AMO a& PDO cycles alone show the way....
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
* what I expect in the years ahead is a real long winter - like 46/7 and 62/3 - one that may ebb and flow but lasts for pretty much the whole season. I think 15/16 is a year too soon. Also if you noticed last winter it was 'average' but was quite contrasting between north and south. A TV prog on mountains had it as a above av winter for the Nrth in terms of falling snow. Look today and despite the increased SSN due to adjustments we are again close to an all quiet event on our sun (btw was ~29C here one year ago). That's the key - how el sol behaves or rather how the splutters & starts 'synch' with the jet. I think the focus of the cold which has been parked over the US will migrate over Europe again - an anti-clockwise movement of the vortex pulling the cold directly down. So flow wise 13/14 W/SW, 14/15 W/NW 15/16 N/NE? Suggests cold & dry to me but I need to research far more...to be continued :)
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
Russ - you asked about winter a few days back. Summer is a poor guide. To be honest my confidence has slipped. I had a cracking 2013 (Mar cold, Jul heat & October storm - and a v.v wet patch) but we seem to have slipped out of sync since then. I did have this summer pegged well but tbh that's fairly easy when you look at ~Easter periods (hot 'n' dry is not a good summer signal). I think there will be an almighty cold poke but how long? A 2012 poke as per the SE or more like the 3 winters of 2009-11? (days when roads are pure ice rinks are rare down here) I think 2010 is a reasonable guide at this point with the ENSO & how the summer is panning out (there was a good sunny dry warm period in the sth that July). So UK wide I'd say a 6 wk period that waxes+wanes* The real cold points are in the years that lie ahead & I would be rather surprised if by 2020 we have not had a winter that matches or exceeds 2009-11
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
I had to laugh at the NASA announcement of the discovery of a new 'earthlike' planet yesterday - or rather David Shuckman's 'it's 1400 light years away - so we can never prove or disprove'. It could quite well be true but there's no chance we can find out either way...although mathmagicians will argue otherwise. Personally I believe magic unicorns exist on Alpha Centarui but hey just try and disprove me!!! (yep that's CAGW in a nutshell where the IPCC can magically work out that natural variation is of course our bloody fault!!!). Now life in our solar system (microbial) is quite possible - on earth, at least with the mainstream side, we may struggle somewhat.
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Currently about 13°C with a dewpoint of ~12°C yet I'm shivering. Hard to believe August is next week but as it's the school holidays should I be at all surprised? // Interesting to see the reaction to Piers's brother Jeremy. Quite telling how the 'establishment' are reacting to someone not of their own. Shall we judge them on their merits or the threat they pose to those in comfy positions? A microcosm of all that is wrong in our current system is the knee jerk response to Jezza. Good to see also that Piers is not linked (as Piers said 'I am not my brother's keeper') as Jeremy must be judged on his own merits. The 'establishment choice' is between a smack in the jaw or the nether regions (i.e no choice at all) so it is democratically healthy to see an alternative offered - even if you don't agree. That 'sexed up dosier' (read IPCC SPM) Blair is incensed is telling of itself. I am pro 'colour' choice (even if I don't agree) than you must choose from 50 Shades of Gray.
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...CO2 being blamed for the 'majority/most' of the warming is such a disconnect with the flow of recorded climactic changes (i.e. not from icecores or dodgy tree rings) that no other explanation is required. The sun rises - do we need to invoke Ra or humankind? // lovely rain. Garden drinking it up. Summer in the South seems to be deteriorating (hmm wonder where I knew it was coming?) as the continental high pressure seems to be eroding. An 'average' summer all in all for the south with a fair amount of tropical air and high dewpoints (esp. over past ~3wks despite increasing rainfall) even if not always 'warm/hot' - average 61-90 hehe /// Reread the Aug+Sept forecasts - key info - logical makes lots of sense a very likely progression. Prepared for what is to come. Are you? Subscribe folks. Jul pretty spot on & helped planning so much. Very useful for the ebb and flow. Thank you Piers.
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...cont...=== http://ow.ly/Q34ey === recommended reading. Too often I have found myself connecting dots because I have observed something that was always there staring me in the face but I hadn't thought about it. Take the wonderful hot & dry summers, earlier/later springs/autumns of the 90's/00's. At the time it was confirmation (bias) of changes. Along with the 'CONcensus' it made sense. However it took the flip cycle for me to connect my previous experiences as the 'trends' I saw reversed
Whilst Dr Viner said 'no more snow' logic foretells it is not an ongoing linear trend but part of a cycle. Viner however was convenient to politics & the media. Logic not so. Now those summers are a faded memory. Instead of enjoying them for what they were we have a religious guilt complex thrust on us by ' believers' (now aligned with the Pope - how's that for irony?). Even if you don't believe it's the sun there's enough natural variation to explain what we see....
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...now I understand the pressure on academics to produce (i.e. must have cited papers etc) which probably comes from the business side (I'm simplifying) let alone the political pressure Eisenhower warned of (i.e. give us the results we want to hear & funding continues). It's an anathema to a scientific mind let alone a curious one. It's easy to fall into. Few of us will stand up above the parapet to get shot at...not if you have a family to feed and that's ignoring our own biases e.g. pumping out all this stuff can't be good ergo the EPA are right that CO2 is a pollutant or there are too many people in the world & therefore that is bad. Sometimes the truth is something already there but we may not have connected the various streams of knowledge. Chiefio had a post on how a excess rain in the early stages of corn growth means the plant sets down shallow roots - a problem in a later dry spell. Logical but not something you would necessarily think of....cont...
On 24 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
@Shaun - you are quite excused for your rant. Russ and I have often done a long rant which imo comes from the incredulity in response to the 'everything including the kitchen sink' nature of the claims attached to CAGW - quite prevalent now in the build up to Paris. It's almost medieval - blame it on witches/God's displeasure etc. However as most of us here are aware it's just a golden ticket to have your academic place at the piggy trough of an 'industry' that produces next to nothing. Imagine I said I could sell you the same product you already buy but it comes with a green stamp...only it comes at a premium, has inferior build quality (meaning constant replacement [good for me not for you]) and doesn't work as well as the previous product so e.g. you need 2 to do the job where you needed 1 before. That's not progress but it is a business model. In academia we have similar - a cr*p product sold at a premium (charges for data or a paper)....
On 24 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Does anyone know the current strength of El Nino?
Much of the cool wet unsettled weather we have been getting in B&I is consistent with there being a strong El Nino also let us not forget that while it's been poor here the rest of Europe has been having a heatwaveagain this could be the El Nino effect.
On 24 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... and that there are areas of our lifestyles that are destructive and should be addressed but to round up multiple issues and blame it all on the religion that is AGW is pathetic and sadly achieving what the profiteering gluttons behind the scam want... to convince everyone we need to pay money for our heinous crime, while being pacified by materialism to the point they miss all the nonsense that would show them it isn't true, and jump on the very band wagon of rounding everyone else up through almost psychological warfare esque strategies like abusing the influence of authority on the mind, social conformity, Propaganda and how it can mould our opinions and also bullying those few deniers by accusing them of stupidity and the disgusting crime of having their own minds and wanting actually credible evidence before handing over the little hard earned cash they have to the already filthy rich. Excuse the rant
On 24 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... to try and be objective and avoid my personal desires influencing what I believe, it is actually very difficult to be completely objective and never allow personal emotions or bias get in the way, then I would almost understand rational beliefs but as it stands it seems like there is no grey areas, just clearly not a warming created by man.
It is particularly frustrating when I see people who are arguing a good debate and are clearly intelligent but still they seem to skip the glaringly obvious mistakes so I can then only assume it is a desire for the dramatic story to be true, either to make life more entertaining (like conspiracy nuts or end of the world fans) they seem to need there to be this imminent catastrophe. One trend in particular I see is people who love nature and the wildlife etc, many often need an outlet to point their frustrated fingers at for the cause of what ever destruction that upsets them. I accept man has ruined landscapes and habitats...
On 24 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
Excuse the previous mistakes, I was in a rush and looking back now it doesn't make the most sense; for example 28 years is meant to say 18.
Anyway, I would agree with you @Ron, not all as it is a spectrum disorder there is a lot of variety but is said and I do observe that autistic people don't fall for trends, fashions and fads which would include the trends in politics and scare mongering scenarios.
I am the logic boy sub type and really dislike the rules people follow in life if they make no rational sense and madly enough so many people follow obscure beliefs without good reason to do so other than just because they have some bias for that particular perspective, like hope casting or wish casting the weather. People adopt the AGW very much like religion without any rational scientific reason to do so, they just trust their peers unquestionably even in spite of the obvious errors that have made thus far. It seems glaringly obvious to me and to I do make every effort to try and
On 24 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
SHAUN: I'm not an expert, but my experience of autistic people is that they have less difficulty in seeing that the 'Emperor has no clothes' than the average Joe or Jane. Yes, it's interest indeed that several people have picked up on the autumnal ambience. and early arboreal signs. The MObeeb have confirmed the likelihood of frost in Scotland in the near future and cannot hide the Arctic airstream due to come in. Will we get snow in the Mamores/Cairngorms? I might just take the bus up to the ski centre to find out.
On 24 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... it still demonstrates the lack of scientific understanding as their predictions are wrong but it also shows that natural cycles can wipe out the effects of AGW easily. The IPCC admit the 15 to 28 year hiatus which shows their lack of understanding. If they really understood how the weather was going to play out they could have predicted the hiatus before it came and forewarned, then I would have had more confidence in their ability.
This is just scraping the surface, there is so much obviously wrong with their "faith" that you don't even need to be educated to see it, its incredible.
On 24 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
I keep seeing people refer to Autumn, mirroring my feelings exactly. Hiking through waterfall country (wales) yesterday and considering where were are in summer I was cold, I was forced to put a jacket on, I noticed some trees turning to Autumn colours which was noticeable enough to point them out to my wife. Today it's dropped to 12 degrees, between 8 and 10 degrees below the average for this area.
I can't get my head around how people work. Being autistic I often think is that why I don't grasp peoples belief in AGW which seems so obviously flawed on so many levels; it doesn't take much logic to see the flaws but I mostly can't see how so many people don't notice the changes in weather. In 5 years we were supposed to have no ice in the arctic wasn't it claimed, now passed that date and we have seen a 40% increase and as it only dropped 40% anyway, surely that proves natural cycles far more powerful than the effects of Co2 which continue to rise. Even if that a one off
On 24 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: was in Sweden at a place called Simrishamn, which is on the coast of the Baltic at a similar latitude to Berwick-on-Tweed. There were Wisteria being used like ivy on the houses and both Walnuts and Figs were being grown in the gardens! Favourable micro-climate hardly covers it. Came home to the Alyth floods etc and to find three of my Asiatic Rowan saplings had gone into autumn clours. The Alaskan alders and poplar had romped on in my absence. With an outbreak of Arctic air due, with maxima of 12 Celsius at sea level, it will be interesting to see if we get snow in the Cairngorms and Mamores and frost in the higher glens.
On 23 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
There are lots of problems with temp data. It is pretty obvious that Heathrow's is meaningless compounded by the MetO jumping on a brief peak - and we are talking single figure minutes - to claim a record as part of the Paris propaganda. There should be a minimum period for a temp to be a valid record. Lots of data comes from airports which have changed exponentially but of course they have always recorded temp there for flying. The UHI effect was shown by surveys that Anthony Watts to be potentially more significant in rural areas where small towns have expanded than cities. They also found numerous examples of poor siteing. Another flaw in corrected series was shown to come from vegetation cutback which produces a sawtooth temp curve that was helpfully corrected upwards of course to record the higher temps as the norm. Add all this to the tiny changes they are looking for and you see the stupidity of it all.
On 23 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
8˚C overnight, 11˚ at 7.30, sunny and getting steadily warmer to 21˚ max, though tempered by the blustery WSW wind most of the day, great to have summer back again for a while. We’ll pay for it over the weekend though, as usual, an uninterrupted good time is strictly forbidden up here :-). The Low to our N will move eastwards and bring in cold straight from the North Pole, MO is forecasting 12˚ max on Monday. Tonight 13˚ at 9pm, lovely sunny evening. == Helen, I think you should have your 45d f’cast now, Piers mailed them out today. == Ron, welcome back. Yes, autumnal has been in my vocabulary over the last week or so. Nevertheless, most veg are doing well in the garden, we’re now getting stuck into our early tatties.
On 23 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
decidedly more autumnal-like today with a chilly wind and a pale watery sun. It was possible to see a large snow patch on the Drumochter hills, from the road viaduct at Killiecrankiie some 20 miles away.
On 23 Jul 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
Certainly cooled down a lot recently, to think we started off July around 7c above normal values .
Weather has been mixed here almost like April showers if you like sunny then rain then sunny again ,but temperatures on average here between 15-19c day time and 8-14c night time not like last July which was warmer overall .The C.e.t.is a joke and should be scrapped they cannot keep changing the years they decide to use history is history !!
On 23 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
shaun- my heathrow stuff is on 2nd july posts down the bottom. I was intrigued why city london airport was 3c cooler than heathrow just up the road and meto gave their 'reasons' basically admitting it was air warmed up over london
On 23 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
shawn- i did post in a previous recent post a link to a picture of the heathrow weather station. its well known on the weather messageboards to be 'a bad site'. Meto have removed a lot of things they probably think 'just confuses people' including their long range forecasts . The uk network of stations is pretty poor with many sited at airports but if you want the temps to show 'warming' then its probably ideal for them as they hope no one makes the connection that an airport in 1946 might be completely different to one now.[Heathrow was just tents and the few planes were propellers.] Meto also have curious adjustments to the temps that have corrupted the data. So they will claim that temps from a weather sation show warming from 1946 as if it was one temperature record but the weather station might have been rural then and now is on a concrete tarmac in a city
On 23 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
cont... I couldn't believe my eyes, the Heathrow station is actually on the run way!!
Is this not insane? You may as well as light a fire around your station and erase all data records as illegitimate.
So, long post but mainly I was curious, does everyone know about this, because I'm sure as hell I didn't see the BBC mention any caveats with their warming propaganda.
On 23 Jul 2015, shaun (Wales) wrote:
I'm not sure if this is common knowledge around here but I thought I would share anyway.
My curiosity peaked by the cool weather, how the news trumpets on about the rare warm days and ignores the cold days, specifically tomorrow my area is set to be 7 degrees below average yet no one blinks an eyelid. I thought it was suspicious that it was Heathrow had this recent hot record, looking I found Heathrow seems to have more records than other areas to. This made me more suspicious, I mean how obvious is it Heathrow is going to have artificially high temps due to urban heat effect. I remembered the MO used to rank weather stations by accuracy etc so I thought I would track down the station and see how reliable they deem that station, I have yet to find that now as their layout as changed but what I did find was that it provided coordinates for the station.
I joked to myself the planes likely caused the urban heat effect for the record and when I loaded up the coordinates I couldn't...
On 23 Jul 2015, Helen (sub, Co. Leitrim Ireland) wrote:
Hi Paddy - thanks, yes I know the 45 day is supposed to be out, but it's still not there anywhere in my forecast list, in either the spring to November section (or obviously the 30 day). I've been right through several times. For some reason I just haven't received it yet.Today was quite cool & showery (min 11 deg), but turned into a pleasant sunny afternoon & evening. It's fortunate evenings are cool actually, as this week I've had to light the range for cooking (problem with the bottled gas connector). A heatwave would have me truly roasted... Lowest temp overnight was 5.5 deg last Saturday night. It's the Joe Mooney Traditional Music Festival here in Drumshanbo this week, so great craic in town with lots of visitors, but the wet cold weather not so good for those camping locally.
On 23 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Another oops moment for the warmistas. CCGS Amundsen was supposed to spend 115 days carrying out research in the Arctic summer but has been re-routed to help clear a path through the ice - heaviest in 20 yrs said captain - in Hudson Bay for resupply vessels. As Richard Littlejohn says 'you couldn't make it up'. Some threatening cloud around and just a few rain spots on the cycle ride home. New rain gauge says no rain today. Pumping water to fruit bushes and plants required a fleece this evening. Not warm.
On 22 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
9˚C at 7.30, feeling cooler today as air is now being pulled in from Iceland and beyond. Sunny start, looking promising, but by 9.30 cloud moved in and stayed until 5pm, hardly any wind so the showers in the afternoon were stationary & we ended up with a lot of water. Max temp 17˚ but didn’t feel warm, especially in the rain, another typical July day, brightened up around 5pm, clear autumn-like evening, 11˚ by 9.30pm.
On 22 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
Yea it doesn't sound like a democratic process... Corbyn is winning genuine support from the democratic majority and the undemocratic powerful few are trying to influence or bully others with scaremongering into submission.
Because they are afraid of a real politician doing what people actually support hence the opinion polls showing his popularity. If he is changing what Labour is currently about so what, he is changing to meet the people they are supposed to represent... plus Labour has not won a majority in 2 elections now, maybe because to many people like me hated Blair, Brown and the rest of the Labour scum. Labour needs change, I think labour needs Corbyn.
On 22 Jul 2015, DaveT wrote:
I buy one forecast a year to help in deciding which bits of Europe to head to / avoid on my Harley. Just got back from 2 weeks in France, and yes, we rode off the boat in Zeebrugge in a downpour as promised. Germany had horrendous hail, we juggled the route to avoid the thunderstorms in France and stayed in Bordeaux longer than anticipated to avoid riding in the heat.
The ride back to Zeebrugge wasn't as wet as we expected it to be, the rain came in early morning so we missed the worst of it. A bit cold at home though! I was shivering in my summer bike jacket.
I showed the July forecast to assorted bikers on the way out, saw some of them on the boat back, and they confirmed the accuracy.
On 22 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Tony Blair the war-mongerer wading into a very personal attack on Jeremy Corbyn; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33619645 What would you prefer Tony? Another faux-Tory Labour government that overspent the economy into deficit oblivion and led us into war with the USA?!? Or maybe someone civilised instead that put the public's interest ahead of oil contracts? Weather-wise it's clouding over here in C London with some sharp showers inbound. Just saw Netweather.tv predicting 13c and N'ly winds by Sunday. Now, I wonder who we know that predicted such an end to July hmmmm? :-)
On 22 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Echo Maria's comment about the cold nights. I was pumping rain water into a pond around 9pm and was wearing a t-shirt and jeans. If I was sitting out it would be a fleece at least and a fire would be good. On my first weekend in my new house at the start of March we had a barbecue and a fire and it wasn't that much cooler than it is now. Noting that the SFU is down to 91 is this in line with a cooler spell to end the month? There seems to be a lag between the SFU and our temps - is this true? Forecast going to plan for this month given the +/- a day and the low that hit The Open staying away from the SE. Arctic ice gets a mention in the Mail. Anyone else raise a smile at the expressions of surprise from the 'scientists' that one cool summer has seen a bounce back given that the science is settled? Good piece on WUWT about countering those who wave the IPCC as evidence to persuade them it is just assumptions given that 'science' is derived from the latin for knowledge.
On 22 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
The last couple of days a bit more of an improvement, stayed dry so went crazy outside getting work done, max temp 16-18 deg. 11-12 overnight, although lots of dark clouds around at times and the odd splat of a raindrop, the sun won out but the pesky breeze stayed lurking in the background which made it feel on the cooler side for this time of year esp. in the eve. Sitting outside regardless as you just gotta make the best of it! just need to invest in some winter style summer gear ;)
On 22 Jul 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
just back from a trip to Sweden and whilst there, there was a TV news piece on the struggle hill farmers in the Scandes are having after the cold and snowy spring/early summer. Further to that, there was coverage in the press of the coming 'Little Ice Age' due to reduced solar activity----we are not alone!
On 22 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Helen (Leitrim): Aug 45d is available, has been since last week. You're maybe not looking in the right place?
On 22 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
The labour leadership is an interesting example how controlled the uk is in the establishment giving people 'choices' to vote from or think from and what happens when the people get a real choice ie they dont vote for the establishment. If capitalism is the process of transferring 99% of the wealth to 1 % of the population then who in their right mind is a 'capitalist' seeing that it ends in the many in financial and moral slavery to a financial elite? Osbourne selling off into privatisation is no different to the enclosures. Curiously China are the biggest capitalist with their ' to be rich is glorious' who see being rich as an end in itself and are collecting everything. The same can be said about this co2 nonsense. Without active management of the facts by the establishment we would not be spending billions [which is robbing the poor] to solve a problem that does not exist except in their hallucinations. Its a moral and financial imperialism that depends upon hiding truth
On 21 Jul 2015, Helen (sub, Co. Leitrim Ireland) wrote:
Hi Piers & all, I haven't commented on this list for quite a while. July forecast very much on the ball here in Co. Leitrim - a lot of rain & strong winds at times, feeling pretty cool & not much sun. Now harvesting blackcurrants & early potatoes. It feels like many crops are running late. Wondering why I didn't receive the August 45 day forecast yet. I'm still on the 'B+I SPRING-PLUS=ALL-SPRING & 45/30d TO NOV £88' sub, plus I purchased your recent 2/3 off 30 day sub (6 mths) to cover me after November or so. The horrendous sterling to euro exchange rate doesn't allow much more at present. So rather surprised not to have got the 45 day yet. Please could you clarify, Piers, in case I've overlooked something. Thanks.
On 21 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C overnight, 14˚ at 7.30, sunny and pleasantly warm with temperature increasing rapidly during the morning, reaching 22˚ by mid-afternoon - who would have thought that yesterday! Typical for Scotland and for the approaching LIA, I suppose. 14˚ by 10pm. MO is saying the next 3 days will be dry and reasonably warm, let’s see. == Yes, I heard that ‘exceptional’ ice report frm the Arctic as well this morning, I was listening out for any concessions but the undertow was clearly ‘yes, yes, we’re still going to hell, it’s just a blip in the program, a temporary reprieve; continue to be afraid, very afraid!’
On 21 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Re- Arctic ice: something as you correctly say Russ to add to the archives to bring back at an inconvenient moment. Onwards and upwards to Paris. I wonder how many the BBC will send there to make propaganda broadcasts. Somebody else wasting our money is Edinburgh Uni with their 'it's the volcanoes that stopped our warming cos the models say so' guff. Working in an aircon office it is sometimes a surprise when stepping outside to go home. Wasn't expecting such a warm wind blowing down the street yesterday. Remaining overcast and breezy. Some light rain around 8pm. Still a strong breeze at 11pm when journeying home from the pub. However, come 1am the breeze had dropped away completely. Evidence of some overnight rain - a rain gauge is about to arrive. Sunny spells today with a breeze again. Sister commented on the persistent wind of late that certainly knocks the temps down.
On 21 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Russ. That BBC report on increased ice in the Arctic is interesting in that it gives a reference point for pointing out the AGW nonsense. They say the ice has increased but this is a one off and that "scientists" say it will shrink in the decades ahead. Of course the reality is that it will continue to grow so take a print out of that article and then use it as exhibit A at some point in the future in any argument to prove that the warmists are wrong. For the record July in this part of the world (Clyde Coast) it has felt a lot like July 2012
On 21 Jul 2015, Mike wrote:
Re: the crazy weather in many countries. Now reported that El Nino is powering up, so that would explain many of the droughts, storms and flash floods.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2015/07/20/el-nino-intensifying-could-rival-strongest-in-history/
On 21 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Steve- you must be doing it wrong lol. Seriously we do need a new temperature record that is not in the hands of a religious cult. Hadley doing temperatures is like the banks setting the interest rate never mind all the secret chat room libor/fx rate fixing that goes on. Meto would take all modern temps and compare it to the coldest 30 year average ie 1960s and say 'its warming'. Funny how 20 miles of water changes things as in europe its baking 40c with 44C in the Spanish city of Cordoba. NOAA still tub thumping that 2015 is looking the hottest year on record but that becomes a bit meaningless when you study how those records are made and where they take the temps from but they hoping the public won't do that and just believe them
On 21 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33594654 <<
The words OLD NEWS and CHARLATANS come to mind! They go around calling Piers a crank, but I think the Slingo and Harrabin twins ought to restart that old childrens show The Crankies. They could incorporate the Climate Change message into the show to indoctrinate all those fresh young minds, and call themselves the cranks which I think is much more appropriate than name calling decent physicists with no hidden agenda like our Piers.
On 21 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
@Steve, I should do something similar myself, sadly most people I talk to, disagree with their own experiences which must be warped. I think due to the fact most people don't obsess quite as much as us over the details their look only a few months back and with a year that has seen a fair bit below average temps, the slightest humidity as my friends believing this year is one of the best summers in years.
While an enthusiast keeping track of the weather I can tell them with certainty that it has not been as good as the last 2 summers but people just don't take me seriously. They listen to a BBC news report and totally ignore the actual data coming out of the MO.
This year has seen a long period and sometimes shockingly below average temps, can only wonder how winter may look if things don't warm up.
On 20 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30, grey and cloudy with a goodish SE’ly breeze, feeling more like late October than July 20th, staying dry to about 2pm, after which the rain started on & off, by 5pm it became constant and now at 9pm it is still raining. Max temp 16˚, now 12˚. Still not nearly as bad as 2012 though, at least April, May and half of June had a lot of light and occasionally good warmth. == Heard on the radio today of Iain Cameron who does remaining snow patch surveys every year https://twitter.com/theiaincameron. However, no mention of the significance of the fact that the remaining patches have increased over the last few years, I wonder why? Well, not really.
On 20 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Having just done some research on my own weather measurements from 2002 - 2015* (* to date), I've discovered what we already knew...here are the temperature trend changes for each month of the year...January -1c (down 1c on average from 2002 - 2015), Feb -1c, Mar -1c, Apr -1.5c, May -2c, June -3c, July +1c, August -2.5c, Sept -1c, Oct -0.5c, Nov -1c, Dec No Change.... So, on average across each month we have a net drop of -1.23c. There are wild variations in the winter months, year on year especially for December, Jan, Feb and March. Interesting times indeed...
On 20 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
I appreciate the month of July isn't yet done with, but I thought I would share some anecdotal information about the temperatures from Jan - July 2015. So far, the average day and night temperatures have been on average 2c colder than last year, based on a monthly comparison. July is averaging 22.3c daytime temps for the first 2/3 of the month, whereas 2014 was 23.7c and 2013 was 24.8c for example (2012 was only 19.2 during one of the wettest summers on record). That's a downward trend year on year. While this message will never reach an audience as wide as the BBC can reach, we are the privileged few who know something is going on...
On 20 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
What a change in the weather as the flags dangled limply on the poles at St Andrews yesterday. Long sunny spells in my corner of the country yesterday with a breeze again. Come evening though, the breeze died away to nothing. Overcast and spitting with rain this morning and overcast in London so far. Interesting demolition of the Great Temperature Record on WUWT by 2 articles. Biggest concern is why Paul Homeward was quoted £75+vat for the data and then found it for free at global warming propaganda site Carbon Brief. The Uk is not the only ones announcing cutting taxpayers' cash paid to renewables. Sense dawning in the US that expensive energy destroys jobs. In Booker's Sunday column it would seem that we have genuine threats of blackouts given the reduction in generating capacity, so much so that even the fleets of expensive diesels won't be able to cope.
On 20 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
http://news.sky.com/story/1521973/heavy-rain-triggers-california-bridge-collapse "Two days of thunderstorms have set rainfall records in southern and central California and forced the Los Angeles Angels to postpone a Major League Baseball game for the first time in 20 years.
The storms saw records set in 11 locations, including five which recorded the most rain ever on any day in July, according to National Weather Service Meteorologist Joe Sirard.
Flash flooding and power cuts hit the Los Angeles area and the threat of lightning forced authorities to close 70 miles of beaches in Los Angeles County. Forecasters have said there could be more rain for affected areas on Monday.
California is currently facing one of its most severe droughts on record and Governor Jerry Brown declared a state of emergency in January after four years of water shortages.
Flash flooding also saw mobile homes and cars swept away in Arizona and 3,000 homes left without power."
On 20 Jul 2015, shaun wrote:
Where can I get more up to date information that this link provides
http://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/images/ssn_predict_l.gif ??
It seems that Nasa isn't keeping it up to date any more, or at least taking months between doing it
On 20 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
After an eventful R3 at the weekend with snow in the South Island and thunder, mini tornadoes and rain in the north of the North Island, NZ now has the R4 moving up the country as a cold south westerly.
On 20 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Talking of solar flares, the NASA experts said yesterday the 19th, that the Sun's pulse was still flatlined, and that there was only a 10% chance of M class and 1% chance of X class flares. Later yesterday a huge filament went boing and threw off a CME in roughly our direction. What a difference a few hours can make. Who is it that predicts these flares? I think it could be the UK Met Office, because they can't get it right just a few hours ahead either. Or is NASA just one more black hole sucking in hundreds of billions of tax dollars, funding extremely expensive satellites, which do little more than a moistened finger in a breeze to predict anything useful?........ So Pluto, apparently, has a warm heart! Did I see the word LAVA? It's between 2.7 and 4.6 billion miles away from the Sun (elliptical orbit), and it's rather tiny and covered in ices, no not strawberry Magnums ladies, of mostly methane and nitrogen, and been allegedly cooling for 4.5 billion years...LAVA???
On 19 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, cloudy with rain off & on until about 10.30, very light N’ly breeze. Occasional glimpses of the sun through the afternoon, 17˚ max temp, 12˚at 10pm with a light SE’ly breeze, another cool day in prospect for tomorrow. Chances for making hay a fading.
On 19 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
C View... The Moon is just past new and is aligned with Venus, so with the Sun, Moon and Venus all lined up on the same side of the Earth, this could have an effect on storm intensity. With solar flares the rain could have been even worse or at least more widespread.
On 19 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Dry and sunny ride out today around the Peak District. Strong but chilly wind kept me cool with all the biking gear on. Yesterday the wife had goose bumps on her arms, not having a fleece just a t-shirt, and that was in the sun. Her fingers were going numb today with the chilly wind, so we had to stop for her to warm up her hands from the heat coming off her bikes engine. Just think, we're talking about sunny days near the 'end' of JULY here?
On 19 Jul 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
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On 19 Jul 2015, John Blakely wrote:
Steven Wright - Snow fell on the higher ground of NSW but none fell in Sydney.
On 19 Jul 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK. Sub wrote:
I see there is still snow on the Scottish mountains.http://www.glencoemountain.co.uk/webcams.html
P.S. I see that Piers Corbyn,s brother has got them all rattled let's hope piers can do the same, go Corbyns.
On 19 Jul 2015, steven wright wrote:
sydney in australia had there first snow fall since 1836
On 18 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, cloudy with a stiff W’ly wind which lasted almost all day, sunny afternoon, max temp 19˚, balmy evening but cooling down to 9˚ by 11pm.
On 18 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
(Relates to 17.07., was not published for some reason)11˚C at 7.30 and tipping it with rain from about 6am as the front moved northeastwards accompanied by a strong SE’ly wind, fog coming in around 11 before it eventually brightened up and got much warmer by 2pm, max temp an agreeable 19˚ with a stiff SW’l breeze which turned a bit more into the W as the afternoon progressed, sunny with impressive big clouds. Getting somewhat cooler by evening, 10˚ now at 10pm. == What is impressive is that Piers indicated already in February that July would would the kind of weather that is now happening.
On 18 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
*was dry !-) absolutely hammering down with rain tonight torrential loud downpours, some counties on a yellow rain alert.
On 18 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Rain and wind at times yesterday clearing in the late afternoon a few short glimpses of sun, breezy again today grey again too, but dry a couple of short sunny moments getting cooler as the day went on both days max 16/17 felt cooler, not a great July so far does not feel like summer :-/
On 18 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
So play is suspended at The Open due to high winds and with currently no definite time to restart. Looking like a Monday finish as the second round hasn't been completed yet. Bet nobody warned them of this happening. Down here in the south-east it is a lovely sunny morning with a good breeze to keep it cool. Still noticing that the nights are not retaining any heat so if you are sitting out into the evening a camp fire is a must. Blitzortung.org is a good site for watching storms happening. Fascinating to see them raging through the Pyrenees and around the Alps.
On 18 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
What a night!! It was like mid October last night gale force winds and heavy rain roads awash with surface water. Clearer an brighter this morning but still blowing about F5/6 on the Clyde coast. I am a bit surprised at the unseasonal severity of the weather given that solar activity is so low any clues anyone on why the wind & rain was so intense??
On 18 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
I don't want to be alarmist but this little ice age is making my allotment food growing much harder. Firstly the marrows/squashes are really struggling due to the persistent cold winds. Secondly, everything is slower. Beans and tomatoes are growing but a month behind due to the cold. I'm expecting a small harvest because the same cold will return and shorten the season. Pests are a problem, because the different weather is altering the balance, but hopefully this will settle down as predators adjust. Farmers must also be suffering and it will get worse. Forget energy. Hungry people are angry people. Do not forget the ISIS phenonenon in the middle east was kicked off by the "arab spring" which in turn was kicked off by high food prices. We live in interesting times.
On 18 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Yes Mike. I still find it extremely satisfying to see Piers hit those meteorlogical nails squarely on their heads, in rapid succession, and often from many weeks ahead. All for the price of one pint of real ale per week. Or less than the price of a single sandwich at the motorway services. As usual, the rain keeps missing us, although some must be falling overnight because I do see some damp patches here and there in the garden. Could be heavy dew, due to the high humidity and clear skies dropping the ambient'...
On 17 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Well done Piers. Another bullseye! >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33563519 <<
On 17 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Major failure by UKMO last night. No weather warnings for the East of Scotland yet the Open at St Andrews awoke to find the course flooded and people in parts of Perthshire rescued from flooding. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33563519. Also a ''train'' of lows is sitting out in the Atlantic another key MIA fingerprint often mentioned by Piers.
On 17 Jul 2015, Mike wrote:
Just purchased the 12 month 45d Britain and Ireland subscription in the WeatherAction summer sale! I'm most impressed that last night's massive thunderstorms and torrential downpours and flash floods 1030hrs - 0030hrs in northern home counties (eg Stevenage) were forecast spot on by Piers! Looks like Slat12b is right on the ball.
On 17 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
2 days of high humidity here too. I can take heat or cold but humidity is bad news. Drop me in the Burmese jungle at the height of summer and the humidity would kill me before any poisonous or predatory animal had the chance. 2 new fans and a stock of ice-lollies, oh yes, we are prepared. For those hot and humid train journeys on those trains with broken (or no) air-con, carry a small computer fan with USB connection, and one of those li-ion battery packs, the type that'll charge up your mobile phone about 3 to 5 times. The battery pack should run one of those fans for several hours. Easier still if you carry a tablet or laptop. Just run the fan from that with the battery pack as a top up.
On 17 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Humid once again. Noticed it after leaving the air conditioned train on the way home. Southern aircon is a bit all or nothing and wearing a coat is often necessary. Sunny into the evening but then increasing cloud with some heavy splats of rain on the conservatory roof. Saw some lightning flashes north of Gatwick but nothing close. Variable this morning with the sun breaking through quickly followed by heavy cloud. Light rain in London, overcast.
On 17 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Just like July 4th, there were fireworks again last night just as I was falling asleep around 11pm in SW Essex. Flashes of lightning every 5 - 10 seconds, then it all faded to black. Slightly fresher this morning but the house is still unbearably muggy. I've noticed the 10 day forecast (on Netweather) showing continued warmth into next week, then a plunge to colder conditions for next weekend onwards...
On 17 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Heavy snow in New South Wales and Queensland, Australia. Meanwhile, after a couple of milder days we're preparing for the next R periods in NZ.
On 17 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Back to rain today at times ( 16th ) with the wind increasing as the evening progressed, sounds like an autumn night with the wind whistling through, the north and west on a yellow wind warning on met.ie.. max temp 16 deg. No idea what it is now at 1.23 a.m but met looked like 9 possible overnight...
On 16 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C overnight, 13˚ at 7.30, quite sunny with some clouds, SE’ly breeze which cooled things down immediately when the sun was covered by cloud, as discussed - someone working with us was observing that as well - there is just no residual heat. Max temp 17˚ for a very brief moment, by midday cloud started moving in from the E, it even drizzled for a short while and the temperature dropped to around 14˚ for the rest of the day, 12˚ by 9pm. There have not been many evenings in the last 4 weeks when we have not lit our fire to have our supper by, typical for the approaching LIA, I guess, and standard fare for the future.
On 16 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Two electricity items today which are relevant given that our energy use is closely linked to the weather and accurate weather forecasting helps ensure sufficient supplies. You can see where the cult of warmism causes problems as per the example of our grape-growing friend from Fife. In City AM today is an article about electricity prices rising as National Grid spend £36m contracting more supply. This is contracts related to the STOR which are for moth-balled plant, anyone who has a diesel back-up generator and for the new fleets of diesel generators that have been created to provide instant power for when the wind drops. National Grid have effectively brought the level back to where it was last winter although they wouldn't be expecting a cold drawn out winter that we may have. Tata who run steel production in this country are cutting jobs due to energy prices and Osbourne's carbon tax no doubt. Go green - lose jobs.
On 16 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Over at Ice Age Now there's an interesting short video showing graphs of estimated temperature variations during global cooling events such as LIAs and worse case scenario cooling (maximum glaciation). If it takes 200 years to achieve maximum cooling then we have time to plan but if we get very rapid cooling then 30 to 50 years seems appropriate. It's the rapid drops that will take us down on the way to glaciation. We saw what a large drop in solar output can cause back in 2010-11 and the Corbyn Snows. This next minimum could see the US beat Scotland in the race to glaciation. You only have to look at last winter to see what's on the doorstep. The world 'could' turn into one heck of a big meat freezer over the next 50 years. Us poor vegetarians will be the first to suffer! Could grow our own fungii under artificial lighting with solar panels and back-up batteries.
On 16 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy.... Over the years I have read Maxwell, Sitchin and Icke but got down a bag of salt in the process. Too many contradictions and holes in their presentations. But Tsarion does a Robert Felix act, whereby he takes all the juiciest bits of the others presentations, then finds the people who can fill in the holes that the others have left. Most of the stuff he talks about I've read before but there were always dozens of holes that didn't make sense. Reptilians for instance. I was at the point of complete disbelief until I found Tsarion. He says that Icke has it wrong and that the reptilians don't look like serpents or reptiles. Instead, the serpent symbolism just means that they were the most intelligent species and the controlling force on Earth at the time we were being modified as slaves. Just symbolic, not visually snake-like. Now that's the kind of sincere logic that I like to hear. Unlike Icke and his invisible, shape shifting, monarchy poop. Just ancient DNA symbolism...
On 16 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
NZ has had a couple of days respite from the cold with a northerly bringing milder weather. Yesterday was very wet and it was Auckland that got the heaviest rain with some flooding. Today was mild at 15 deg here with sunshine but looks like it will be back to the cold on Saturday. It is certainly an interesting winter of contrasts.
On 15 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Blue sky and sunshine to start really lifted the spirits and we all took the opportunity to get out and about for the day, max temp 18 deg. Big clouds moved in when we were out making for a great sky with the sun but like others commented it was quite nice and warm in direct sun so arms out n shorts on, but then later like Russ said it was a light jumper on off on off kind of afternoon, some big heavy dark looking clouds moved in this eve. Part cloudy part clear 12 deg. at 11pm
On 15 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30, dull & wet morning brought along on a NE’ly breeze, even though the rain itself moved NE-wards against the wind, brightening up only at 3pm, max temp 18˚, just, and a gloriously sunny end to the day, 12˚ at 10pm. == Bob W, I’ll start asking other people whether they have the same experience when the sun disappears temporarily. == Gerry, the STOR got a mention on Radio Scotland news this morning, so they’re putting this out so that when it happens they can say that they told us. == Russ, Tsarion is an interesting fellow but some of his stuff I take with a tablespoon of salt.
On 15 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Jo... You need to listen to Michael Tsarion and his opinions on bible stories and events and characters. It looks like you are half way there already. Fascinating stuff, and helps you understand what's coming. Those tiny quotes from films, for instance in Predator, "..they only come when it is hot', they hunt humans etc. Those phrases in the Bible which seem so meaningless and contradictory. Listen to Tsarion and it'll seem much clearer. ..... Weather-wise, Piers got the thunderbusters correct give or take a day or so. He also got the start of this fine warmer period correct. Can't say anymore, but if you want to know what's coming, SUBSCRIBE ... you know you want to! ... Though the sunny bits have been warm and humid, that flippin cold wind was always there in the background to raise a goose-bump or three... Always teetering over the past few days, fleece on, fleece off, fleece on, fleece off! And East Midlands Trains, WILL YOU GET YOUR AIR-CONDITIONING SORTED PLEEEESE?
On 15 Jul 2015, Bob Weber, USA N Mich Subscriber wrote:
Paddy, good to see your keen observations aligning with ours here across the pond. I think if enough people paid attention enough, there would be a whole different way of looking at the Sun-Earth climate connection. Gerry points out we're well under 120sfu now - it was 105 yesterday. USAF F10.7cm flux 45-day forecast from yesterday is at 110sfu/day. It was July 10 last year when I calculated the 120 figure, and several other lines of evidence show that is about right. The solar warming deficit under 120 aside from SC24 maximum is well underway since the modern maximum ended. Post 2003, the ave daily flux has been 98.9 - a warming "deficit" that's taken a big bite out of ocean heat content. High latitudes are cooling. That's why we feel that cold air w/o direct sun. The heat building up in low latitudes from time to time is bottled up under high pressure domes by high latitude cold. By the end of SC24 in ~5.5yrs, daily flux post-2003 will ave 92-94! 1961-77 ave/day = 104.9 & it cooled!!
On 15 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
Nice to see Piers brother is shaking up politics and opinion polls have him set to win the leadership of Labour.
On 15 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Winter blackout story hitting the papers and airwaves today with the claim that there will be hardly any spare capacity this winter what with the EU ordered closures and failure to build any replacements by the our inept government. However, before getting too excited it might worth a wait to see if Booker picks this up and comments on what role the Short Term Operating Reserve might play as this is routinely left off the figures. It does come at an eye-watering cost of up to 3 times the market rate.
On 15 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Today's Mail has a piece on the first wine to be produced in Scotland - well since perhaps Roman or Viking times. Not a great vintage they admit - lovely cartoon with it. Best laugh is that the vine grower read reports saying that with global warming Fife would become an ideal place to grow grapes. Who's going to tell him? Washington Post - link from iceagenow - have the damage control team in action to dampen down the solar model story to say that we won't see the cooling for the warming. There are sceptic comments there so it is not like the Guardian unless they have yet to be cleaned off. Another humid day in town. Overcast but bright, no real sun. Sun made it through yesterday but was cloudy and giving a sharp burst of rain when getting home. Still cooling off rapidly in the evenings. Sunspots dropping off again and pulling the flux down well below 120.
On 14 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
14˚C at 7.30, dark & dull & very still for most of the morning and stayed that way all day, with added slow moving showers during the second half of the morning. We had to go up Deeside and were hoping to get sunnier weather, but no chance, it was raining even more there. Max temp 17˚ with a slight S’ly breeze in the afternoon, 11˚ at 10pm. And meanwhile, the Continent is sweltering as drought reigns supreme.
On 14 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Financial markets are full of models that 'predict' past results. Its called curve fitting. The whole co2
deception is based on exploiting the fact most people do not know how to read charts nor the tricks you can use to make them seem they have skill. Needless to say most of the curve fitted models have no skill at predicting the future. This ignorance of charts is also why the energy companies get away with tricking the public about their prices.
On 14 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Space weather deny any forthcoming drop in solar activity.
quote...Stop the presses. The mainstream media is reporting a sensational new study about the sun's inner magnetic dynamo. According to a double-dynamo model advanced by researchers at Northumbria University, solar activity could drop by 60% in the 2030s, mimicking conditions during the Little Ice Age of the 17th century. A widely copied quote-fragment from lead researcher Valentina Zharkova notes that "...we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97%." In fact, the model has never successfully predicted any future solar activity. So far it has only been used to "predict" solar cycles from 1976 to 2008. Almost any model can be fine-tuned to match the past. As forecasting tools, previous dynamo models have failed spectacularly. The double-dynamo model of Zharkova et al may yet prove to be correct, but until it passes the test of correctly predicting future solar activity, there is no reason to worry about an historic
On 14 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Spaceweather casting doubt on the accuracy of the new solar model and claiming that solar models have had no success with predictions - hmm sound familiar to anyone with regard to other models. It goes on to say that any model can be fine tuned to match the past - again sounds familiar. It even goes on to say that instead of a little iceage the opposite is happening and then provides a link to a site claiming the warming is accelerating. Funny how we are all supposed to believe in certain other models that have no predictive accuracy. Humid this morning with light rain at times, overcast.
On 14 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
High humidity grey with rain again like yesterday 12 deg. at 9 a.m some small blue patches of sky in the distance.
On 14 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
If these Mini-Ice-Age prediction models are based on Solar barycentre motion and Length of Solar Cycle correlations with Climate Change. Then the models would be as reliable as the predictions for the Orbits of the large planets of the Solar System. Much more reliable than the models based on the long term RANDOM correlation between carbon dioxide and temperature, worshiped by the environmental morons at the BBC.
On 13 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C overnight, 14˚ at 7.30, cloudy morning with rain, no sun to be seen today except for a short moment in the evening, got quite muggy though, especially in the afternoon, 19˚ max, then cooling down to 15˚ by 9pm. == BOB W: quite a few of us here notice exactly the same thing: the minute the sun disappears behind clouds it gets cooler very quickly, it’s as if the sun was just taking the edge off the permanent cold that is lurking in the background. It certainly looks like we will need all the help we can get from tunnels, cloches, mesh & fleece for growing veg to feed ourselves in the years to come. We’ll have to rig up a propagator of sorts for next spring so that we can have an earlier start than we can manage in our cold polytunnel.
On 13 Jul 2015, Jo wrote:
I read all about the house arrest and hearings for Galileo. Interestingly but seldom mentioned, the Catholic church was angry that Galileo was NOT going along with the flawed ideas of the dead pagan Aristotle, who wrongly said the earth was the center of the solar system. The Catholics at the time had many poor attempts at science and that was just one. Looks like this Pope is also aligning with poor science like the others did. Why the Catholics were so in love with the work of pagan Aristotle is a mystery to me. Also the bible doesn't say the earth is the center of everything. It does say the earth is a sphere suspended by nothing. In Job there are actually other creations of God's mentioned too. I don't know if they are meaning aliens there, but it sort of sounds like it if you will read it yourself. It says they came to this meeting that God was having and they came from other places. The devil shows up and says he came up from earth where he was causing trouble. Wow!
On 13 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
13th july and its cold and damp enough for me to think about having the fire on this evening. Even the cats have come in to sleep
On 13 Jul 2015, Catherine (45 d sub) wrote:
The lunchtime forecast for the rest of today on Reporting Scotland told us the wet weather had cleared and the central belt would be dry. If she had looked out of the window she would have noticed that, far from having cleared up, it was in fact tipping it down and it continued to do so for most of the afternoon.
Meanwhile I checked Piers' forecast. His forecast of cool temps and showers in the west for this period has been pretty accurate, unlike the Scottish MO's 'forecast' for the next few hours....
On 13 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
http://iceagenow.info/2015/07/scientists-say-suns-heartbeat-will-bring-on-ice-age/#more-16720 - Interesting reading and perfectly in alignment with what Piers has been saying for years and years...
On 13 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
regarding cold my friend with relatives in crete said last week the snow was at it lowest level down the mountains its ever been in living memory. But remember the co2 priesthood says the cold [if not freezing] is the new warming lol. So more cold and snow is proof of co2 greenhouse warming
On 13 Jul 2015, shaun wrote:
cont... this year however has had months below average not just some days here and there, it has been cold on occasion too, I mean actually cold, I nearly experienced hypothermia on a hike recently, day time, June 14 degrees and with the heavy wind and rain I was well into the 10 degrees danger zone. I think my friend must be confusing humidity for warm weather as when it has warmed up slightly the wet has made it unbearable but that warmth has been lagging behind the norm.
Let's see what the rest of summer has to bring, at this rate I think I'll start prepping for winter soon
On 13 Jul 2015, shaun wrote:
This link shows a news report from the MO declaring May and June being hotter than average.
Yet the MO climate summaries admit now the dates have past that they are in fact both colder than average.
So why isn't this making the news. why was everyone up in arms over a one day hottest day which in average terms would have been wiped out by the fact it has been surrounded by 2 months of below average temps.
Someone said to me a couple of days ago that this is the best summer so far in years. I had to laugh, I felt bad but I had to laugh at him.
Today the highest temp here in my area of Wales is 16 degrees and rain all day, a much better summer of 2013 I said was warm here for a long period and well above our average, from 20 - 22 degrees to 30 degrees. Now we are at that same period in 2015 and we have 16 degrees which is up to 5 or 6 below average but 14 degrees below that summer of 2013.
I know single days don't mean much but for us 2013 and 2014 where nice summers...
On 13 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
James Madden at it again as quote on the front page of The Daily Express; "James Madden, forecaster for Exacta Weather, said Britain is less than a fortnight away from the next scorcher". Well, that's settled then. Oh no, wait, I remember what he says every Autumn about the forthcoming Winters and always being wrong...
On 13 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-33456711 << The BBC can now get on with reporting unusually cold weather, now that it's confirmed that we are heading for a Little Ice Age. CHARLATANS !!!
On 13 Jul 2015, Bob Weber, USA N Mich subscriber wrote:
New solar study out says the Sun will really slow down for several cycles - where have we heard that before? Discussion here https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2015/07/10/new-solar-model-claims-97-predictive-accuracy-cooler-times-ahead/ - New sunspot numbers are out as of July 1, and with them I define the modern maximum in solar activity, using yearly numbers: The Sun was 65% more active for 70 years between 1935.5 and 2004.5, with an annual average SSN of 108.5, than the previous 70 year period from 1865.5-1935.5, when the annual average SSN was 65.8. The Sun caused global warming during those 70 years; the slowdown after 2003-4 caused the “pause”; and hereafter low solar activity will cause global cooling. The new numbers/cycles take a bit of getting used to, as the mean went up from 52 to 83. This month is the time when average solar flux drops below my 120 threshold for solar warming/cooling for the first time after SC24 max. It's already noticeably cooler at high latitudes.
On 13 Jul 2015, Bob Weber, USA N Mich subscriber wrote:
Great to see Piers' heatwave forecast for this period work out so well! Yesterday it was blazing hot here near 90F in the sun, hottest day of the year for us, but when the clouds came in it cooled right off - no persistence here. Ten different hail reports in Nebraska over the past three days, where Piers forecasted hail. See http://www.hail-reports.com/ for up to three days of US hail, wind, and tornado activity on one image. Weather frontal/pressure pattern in US has remained virtually static all month thus far, some movement now, although with active weather. Low pressure perfectly forecasted over So CA, but no sign of t-storms there through MT this period or last... Very active t-storms TX through MI during Piers' July 6-8 R4, with some movement into Ohio valley. Sun quiet per forecast lately. July F10.7 @ 121.7sfu/day so far, 116 today, and USAF 45 day @ 113, YTD @ 127.9sfu/day. We'll be under 116/day for July. I doubt the El Nino will strengthen & last as long as warmists say.
On 12 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
14˚C at 7.30, quite sunny with some clouds, W’ly breeze for most of the day, max temp 20˚, cloudier from midday onwards and thus somewhat cooler, some rain around 5pm, impressive cloud scapes, 12˚ by 10pm. == Gerry, thanks for the links, reading now and will investigate further, certainly appears not as clear-cut as I thought.
On 12 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
Andy B - all the brassicas on my allotment were wiped out this year, to the last plant all infested with cabbage stem weevil and cabbage root fly maggots. Even the turnips and radishes. Never seen anything like it. Must be a nightmare for you farmers. Black fly is also at record levels, even the fat hen weeds are infested, which I am guessing is down to little ice age weather patterns unless anyone knows why?
On 12 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
I saw the # sun this morning..L..ol then grey most of the day but a thinner shade of grey whereby you could just see the sun behind, a little warmer so set to picking beetroot preparing it and into jars to sit alongside the 15 jars of strawberry jam in the stock cupboard for the winter, First of our summer cabbages for dinner with our carrots and potatoes was a change from salad, strawberries for afters which are starting to slow down now, Max 18 deg. 13 now @ 10 pm met and all sites a little uncertain here about next spell of weather, they could always subscribe!-)
On 12 Jul 2015, Matt wrote:
Looked at the BBC forecast for the next few days and thought "slack" (an absence of any major pressure systems). Looked at Weatheraction's forecast for the next few days and the first word: "Slack". Another spot-on prediction!
On 12 Jul 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
Large eruption yesterday in Mexico .
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-33496979
On 12 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Anyone interested in ancient history? There are a few debunky types out there who think this bloke makes too many errors, but the amount of information he pumps out, and at such a speed, I'm not surprised he makes mistakes. And nobody can get every detail correct. Try Michael Tsarion ... Enter The Dragon on youtube. I watched a photo-journalist give a National Geographic talk about Australian Aboriginal history, and at the start she mentioned a mass extinction event around 50,000 years ago. Valid? Ask Robert Felix. Well Tsarion fills in most of the holes in my history puzzle, including mass extinction events, the last one being around 35,000 to 50,000 years ago... If it looks like a dog, barks like a dog etc... I think Felix and Tsarion ought to swap theories because they are trains on the same track, they just need coupling together to make a complete consist.
On 12 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Breezy day yesterday with increasing cloud during the day to give sunny spells. V warm in the sun if sheltered. Once again though, no residual heat in the evening. V cool. Rain showers during the morning and into the afternoon. V strong breeze at times. Remaining overcast and cloudy and so a bit surprised to see the sun at Wimbledon but as of 1630 a rain shower has arrived there. Not enough rain though to water the garden and fill the butts.
On 12 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Paul - love the Indie comments. lol Has anyone posted up that the science is settled and 97% are certain of this? Andy B - good to hear from a farmer. B&N pointed out that we would suffer most as we grow a late of rapeseed. Just shows perfectly how we have virtually no influence in the EU contrary to the lies spread by the Europhiles and that once free we can decide to use them again. Important in the run up to the referendum in 2017, unless the EU has destroyed itself over Greece before then. Mark - brilliant expose of their supposed accuracy. Interesting chat on TMS with Philip Avery regarding the chance of rain today in Cardiff. Full of uncertainty. Jokes from the presenters about forecast inaccuracy. In the end it doesn't matter as job done just after tea by England! They have admitted live on air that they can't cope with a meandering jetstream. Phil - Avaaz is the home of leftie nonsense. Don't waste your time there.
On 12 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Phil Ipswich.... it's people like Stroeve who should be held to account for scaring the shyte out of the public, causing unnecessary anxiety, and the fact that her cronies are wasting untold billions of $$ of public wealth, plus the squandering of resources which give us a decent standard of living for the first time in thousands of years........... Andy B - Re: Neonics? Didn't the environMENTALists sound the death-knell for DDT back in the 1970s, using the same sort of shady and unreliable data?......
On 12 Jul 2015, Phil non sub Ipswich wrote:
24 months to save the world. Load of rubbish Piers?
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/24_months_loc_donate/
On 12 Jul 2015, Mark wrote:
The latest weekly forecast from the Met Office, viewable on the Beeb's weather page, is a collection of 'ifs and 'maybes'. They regularly defend their expenditure on supercomputers by saying their 5 day forecasts are as accurate as 2/3 days forecasts a generation ago- but when they are as vague as the one issued last night that defence is meaningless.
One possibility the forecast seems to play down is that of the jet stream just meandering around off the south coast- which would of course mean a continuation of the cool conditions further north noted by Maria, Paddy & Russ- but this time with persistent rain and cooler temperatures affecting south east England for the first time this summer. Clearly if we get that their recent trumpeting of 'hotter summers' in the wake of the Heathrow fluke on 1 July will look rather silly.
On 12 Jul 2015, Andy B 45D Farmer sub SE Wales wrote:
The banning of Neonics is a classic eg of EU making things worse. Neonics was only used as a powder seed dressing that prevented crops being affected by beetles and grubs etc mainly oilseed rape and brassicas . They now have to be sprayed weekly with insecticide to prevent damage causing untold damage to beneficial insects!
On 12 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub (NZ) wrote:
Following on from the extreme weather in NZ last week it looks like its Australia's turn http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/thundersnow-rare-weather-event-hits-blue-mountains-20150712-giacvs.html plus http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/melbourne-weather-shivers-as-cold-spell-approaches-20150711-gia0r2 and http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-12/your-photos-severe-cold-weather-brings-snow/6613628
On 12 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
From the same newspaper that reported that there would be no more snow "'Mini ice age' coming in next fifteen years, new model of the Sun's cycle shows". http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/mini-ice-age-coming-in-next-fifteen-years-new-model-of-the-suns-cycle-shows-10382400.html Top rated comment is to the point "But natural variations are a negligible factor in climate change. That's been absolutely INSISTED on for 20 years - anybody questioning that FACT was an evil 'climate denier'." Second top rated comment "But the Indy told us snowfalls were a thing of the past !
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html "
On 12 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Paddy - the banning of neonicotinoids is a classic example of how we are now ruled by Brussels and how much better we will be out of the EU. Links are: http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85355
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=85352
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=84472
http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=83576
None finer than Messrs Booker and North for exposing what goes on.
On 11 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
14˚C at 7.30 and feeling much milder in the SW’ly wind which kept going all day. Quite a bit of sunshine in spite of the many impressive cumulus towers; it looked as if it was going to rain in the morning but didn’t and the temperature climbed to a balmy 24˚ in the afternoon, pure bliss. I can tell summer is back (for now) by the horseflies who always appear when it gets hot and humid. A bit of rain just now, more coming later to judge from the radar images, 15˚ at 9pm. == Gerry, can you give some information on neonicotinoids not harming bees? I thought that was a proven link.
On 11 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Grey overcast & breezy all day again except for 2 glimpses of sun which both together would not have made 5 minutes, some rain last night and on and off rain showers today, 13 deg around 10 a.m max 16 today, same here Paddy the summer cabbages are huge as they have mesh over them but I'm already seeing signs of lack of sun between the veg plot and the tunnel, hope we all get some veg loving weather soon..
On 11 Jul 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
Mmn where did they get this from ???
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/earth-heading-for-mini-ice-age-within-15-years/ar-AAcQ27I?ocid=iefvrt
Copying Piers perhaps although we are already entering one!
Weather has been up and down quite warm yesterday 25c ,today down to 22.5c on the whole around 19.5c the the week not as much rainfall as i expected but im sure that will change.
On 11 Jul 2015, Matt Havicon wrote:
Re Piers latest post on 10thJuly, I have been using twitter now for a couple of years- it's a brilliant tool for communication. I'm @ MatthewHavicon on twitter. Using twitter you realise just how many people out there are challenging this "alarmist" nonsense. Also very interesting posts from all over the world. Try it and also give Piers some support. Btw I now live in Rīgā, Latvia and it's been an appalling summer- typical MIA circulation methinks! Look forward to seeing some of you on twitter. Matt
On 10 Jul 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
THANKS ALL FOR GREAT INFORMED AND USEFUL COMMS. RUSS re drums and cash etc. Yes promoting message v important. Might I suggest to ALL: 1) ReTweet and debate and pass stuff on via twitter, Face Book and other sites. 2) Get people to SUBSCRIBE to WeatherAction, cash flow very parlous right now due to delayed contracts. It's easy TELL anyone directly or by internet who could make use of forecasts how good they are and direct them to www.WeatherAction.com and if they have special / group needs / enquiries to get in touch direct +442079399946 / +447958713320 Thanks PC
On 10 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30, rain coming down steadily in the S’ly breeze, feeling really dreich. Rain stopped at around 10 but it remaind cloudy all day, max temp 16˚, 14˚ by 8pm. It will be a warmer day tomorrow, according to MO. I have to say that in spite of the recent cold spells our veg are on the whole doing pretty well, brassicas in particular, though growing them under mesh has something to do with that also. If it wasn’t for polytunnels, mesh and fleece we in northern latitudes would be struggling to grow enough interesting veg variety for our diet.
On 10 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
BBC...Met Orifleece...propagandy-times etc all spout 100% knowledge of the cause of 'hay-fever'. Well pooey! I've seen lots of wildlife documentary's stating that sheep, cattle, giraffes, elephants and all manner of other hooved beasts are forced to keep moving while eating, because the grasses or trees on which they feed, put out a toxin to protect themselves from being eaten. I sufered from really bad hay-fever from 11 years old. I can walk through woods and valleys knee deep in elderflowers and hawthorn flowers and seeding grass with nary a twitch, but as soon as I pass through a village or town, especially early evening, when folk arrive home and start mowing lawns, I start sneezing at an olympic level. I am convinced that I am not sneezing due to pollen but instead due to the grass exuding a toxin as a response to being cut, which sends my immune systems bananas. Farmers don't seem to be affected but they cut the hay once or twice per year, not every flippin weekend...
On 10 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Talking of Ice Age Now have you seen this? >> http://iceagenow.info/2015/07/scientists-say-suns-heartbeat-will-bring-on-ice-age/#more-16720 << Apparently, we need a whip-round to buy Piers a much bigger drum, because the, now what's the correct term, 'smart arses', at the BBC and Met Office haven't been able to hear him banging on for the past psjfhtfr years about how the sun is going bye-byes and a new Little Ice Age is on our doorstep. 2022 seems about right for the deep freeze to kick in. Lorraine in NZ, I would start planning like 'now'! Hot & humid today, which makes a nice change from wednesday which was flippin freezing. It may have been 9C indoors in New Zealand but it is the start of their winter. It was 9C out of the sun and only hit 14C IN THE SUN at 3pm in Southport on wednesday. And who didn't take his fleece or windproof??
On 10 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cloudy and grey last couple of days a little humid last night and then a few short sunny spells this morn. Breezy at times 15 deg now 6pm and... Cloudy and grey :)
On 10 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Hi Gerry. Thanks for clearing that one up for us. There are so many layers of lies and half-truths out there so it's refreshing to see someone clear the mist! I also had a peek at iceagenow earlier today. In addition to what you've already mentioned there's record rainfall in the central US states, large volumes of ice still in Hudson Bay and give times more snow in Norway for this time of year than normal. On another note, I for one am very glad the models are showing a cooldown with no sign of a heatwave reload in the near future. It's not easy for people like me with both high blood pressure and asthma problems.
On 10 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Steve- the case for pesticides causing problems with bees is not completely solved. One thing in the article that is most definitely not true is the link to neonicotinoids. The ban was a typical EU mess where the French implemented a ban to appease somebody but without any scientific proof. Having out their agriculture at a disadvantage to the rest of the EU they wanted the pain to be shared so that the whole of the EU was at a disadvantage to the rest of the world. Lots of interesting data on iceagenow that won't make the BBC or its paper the Guardian. Cold and rain records in the US. July snow below the usual altitudes in California. Woke to fog across the fields this morning but it soon burnt away to give a lovely morning. Good for the Battle of Britain flypast.
On 10 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Bare faced lies by the BBC in which global warming, not pesticides is killing off bumblebees http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33442006 And here an article from 2 years ago saying it is pesticides doing it after all http://qz.com/107970/scientists-discover-whats-killing-the-bees-and-its-worse-than-you-thought/
On 09 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
7˚C overnight, 11˚ at 7.30 with a less strong N’ly wind blowing, no showers today and some good sunshine mostly in the morning, temp got to 17˚. Cloudier afternoon, N wind gone completely as the Low has moved into Scandinavia, the midges making the best of that for a while, after which we got a bit of a S’ly breeze as the High also moved northeastwards. Overcast from around 2pm for the rest of the day, wind now at 9.30pm from SSE, 11˚ & feeling chilly.
On 09 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Last night Edinburgh had it's coldest July overnight temperature 3.6c
On 09 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Dropped to 10c (50f) last night here in SW Essex. Quite a drop from last week when our room temperature hit 27.8c (82f). We have a 2 year plan with our home now to replace the ageing windows and some of the doors. In the winter our (130 year old) cottage gets draughty, so we use rubber sealants around the doors and put draught excluders down. The letterbox is the worst though, always lets in a breeze. Fascinating to read about the extra snowfall in Norway by the way.
On 09 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Maria makes the valid point that people are starting to notice the disconnect between the AGW propaganda and reality. Unfortunately the propaganda will keep coming all the way up to December but we have nature and science in our favour to counter the lies. A colleague is off to Norway for a holiday and was surprised when I told him that they had 5 times more lying snow last month than was usual. Be interesting to hear his experiences in Bergen. Mixed day yesterday of sunny spells, cloud, odd shower. Strong breeze back home and a lot of cloud bringing some light rain. Not an evening for enjoying sitting outdoors as it was quite chilly. Breezy again this morning with sun but cool.
On 09 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Snow in Wellington NZ https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/rare-sighting-of-snow-thrills-wellington-residents-q00751. Usually snow only falls on the hills behind the Hutt Valley and Kapiti Coast, not Wellington City.
On 09 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Heavy snow in Hawkes Bay NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/70085735/heavy-snow-falls-in-hawkes-bay-as-cold-snap-lingers-over-nz. I think we're welcoming in the MIA here this winter. Our house is cold today, 9 deg in the lounge first thing.
On 09 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
“when-it-comes-to-climate-change-we-have-to-trust-our-scientists” It seems to depend on the University. In Britain, all the charlatans in Solar Astronomy seem to come from Reading University. Not just Belcher, but I read an analysis of four points of fraudulent and deceptive science by Professor Mike Lockwood, in the Space Special Interest group Newsletter of Mensa. So Reading University is as bad as the University of East Anglia when it comes to the use of scientific fraud to deceive the morons at the BBC.
On 09 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Rain showers stopped late morn. Remained cloudy with only a brief sunny spell or two max 16 deg, clearer sky by early eve. chilly so fluffy big grey winter socks back on as can't bring myself to light the boiler in July! Irish weather online fb reported the West of Eire had the coolest temp recorded in July in 20 years yesterday, wonder if the beeb n co want to broadcast that since they are so concerned with 'global temps' I expect it would not sit nicely with their hottest ever reports, it's time they report the news on a wider scale and include All the facts no more cherry picking, people are questioning it because it's not correlating to what they are experiencing, my own kids even the younger ones told me at the start of summer they don't need more than a pair or 2 of cheap shorts as it's more cold than hot and wouldn't let me waste money as they know funds are limited.
On 08 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
As expected, 10˚C at 7.30, cold N’ly wind & showers off & on all morning and some in the afternoon, though not very heavy overall. Some good sunshine in between, so it didn’t feel as cold as cold as I had expected, max temp 15˚. However, already down to 9˚ by 10pm and feeling like it will get even colder, snow likely in the Grampians. That said, we have seen the weather suddenly turn colder and wetter in July so many times before since we’ve lived up here for the last 40 years, and I’ve often heard people say ‘aye, typical July weather’.
On 08 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
What a difference a week makes in weather terms! Last week we touched the much disputed 35c in Heathrow, tonight may hit freezing in parts of Scotland. That's a dip of 70f folks! Something worth noting in modern weather.
Working from home today and tomorrow thanks to the tube strike. Observing the isolated but beefy showers crossing from NW to SE on a cool polar maritime breeze. For me this is perfect. Low humidity and pollen washed away.
Anyone out there who (a) has children and (b) wonders what the weather will be like for the school holidays should DEFINATELY subscribe! :-)
On 08 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Grey windy humid chucking down rain yesterday lots of water on roads max 17 deg. Miserable again this morning wind switched to nw today raining again & breezy, jumpers back on and looks like 8deg. tonight, 12 now at 7.38 a.m
R4 period has been bang on as forecasted by Piers, a big contrast from summer to autumn type weather, glad the kids and us made the most of their first week and a bit of summer holidays, as true to the norm the last few years paddling pool goes up rain and wind follows soon after, but this is global warming right? Lol!-)
On 08 Jul 2015, Kevin Harrow wrote:
Re Lorraine .The Met Office scientist was Prof Belcher based at Reading Uni . His predictions were based upon his very own computer models which for some strange reason don't appear to have foreseen the LIA that his colleagues at the MO announced a couple of days earlier. How embarasing for all concerned.
On 08 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Here in tropical Derbyshire I've been stunned by the chilly temperatures, and not just the occasional day or night. Apart from the ground-breaking news item from the Meterological Terrorists, shouting from the rooftops that Heathrow Airport had hit a record high temperature for several hours. Wow! That's some trend you found there you amazing experts! The truth is that it was unusually cold in these parts before July 1st and even cooler afterwards. If this 'trend' continues, we could be looking at our first truly harsh winter in over 100 years. Craig, anything to back this up? Or am I shooting from the hip again?
On 07 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
17˚C at 7.30, even after the overnight rain, still cloudy but brightening up by 9 and then rapidly warming up to an amazing 27˚, even in the fresh S’ly breeze. However, before midday, cumulus towers were building to the N of us and the sky was getting threateningly darker all the time, at first and intensive purple blue and then suddenly grey just before the heavens opened big time by 3.15 and never stopped until 8pm, by which time the wind had also switched into the NW and it felt decidedly chillier, 12˚ at 10pm.
On 07 Jul 2015, Dean wrote:
Dean, Glenlivet, Cairngorms, 235m
Russ, sorry, misunderstood you so good obs of yours to notice these storm " hotspots". How would MetO explain that?
Very showery today in Grampians and Moray coastal areas, drove through a couple of torrential downpours between Glenlivet and Inverness- same instability that created flooding storm in Aberdeen to our east.
Looks as if tomorrow will have low max temps here as winds swing round to north- sleet and snow forecast for higher areas of Grampian! Maybe ground frost Thursday early, will report if there is.....
On 07 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Good for a laugh - maybe accurate too. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/seanthomas/100222487/when-it-comes-to-climate-change-we-have-to-trust-our-scientists-because-they-know-lots-of-big-scary-words/
On 07 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Rather than put an end to the BBC it seems that they are getting off lightly. Could the reason be that in addition to their socialist and global warming bias they are purveyors of pro-EU propaganda. With the referendum to come in 2017 this will be very useful to Call Me Dave. Meanwhile, away from the MetBeeb fantasy land, the glacier on Mount St Helens is increasing and growing in a link from iceagenow. As are many others but not a peep from the BBC on that of course. Cooler day again with a fair bit of cloud early on giving the odd shower.
On 07 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
B en- maybe BBC are pretending to be nice to Piers because they need access to the leadership candidates lol? after the election it'll be back to the usual stone walling.
On 07 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Had a good laugh today reading your Met Office predictions for future summers and winters in the UK. I wanted to write to the 'scientist' concerned to tell him how much I laughed but unfortunately there was no contact for him. Funny that.
On 07 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
The R4 is definitely affecting the whole of NZ https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/rug-up-aucklanders-more-storms-tonight-then-it-gets-cold-with-possible-hail-q00362 Looks like it will be very cold over the next 4 - 5 days. We have to go to Wellington this weekend and will be wrapping up as although we live in the South Island and are used to the cold Wellington is very exposed. This winter is a major contrast to the last 2 or 3 but no doubt the warmists will blame it on global warming.
On 06 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33417413 .....whatever!!!
On 06 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A good amount of rain woke me up this morn and quite windy for a time also, a snapped once strong sweetcorn plant that was with a cane in the cob bed and several twigs on the lawn I too thought I had woken to Autumn !-) Met.ie had a yellow national rain warning in place, temps down on recent values and only the humidity during the middle of the day made it feel the 17 deg. we reached here, some more rain inbetween a few brief sunny spells and more cloudy than not all day, managed to give the chicken house a good blast out and disinfect and also treat chkns as had noticed the red mite had made a comeback during the warm spell replaced the manky roof and now off to drown meself feelin cooty lol...15 deg with a sw breeze looks like more rain on the menu. Spot on forecast from Piers as per usual ;)
On 06 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C overnight, 12˚ at 7.30 and rapidly warming up under a blue sky to 22˚ by midday, feeling very muggy, almost thundery but nothing happened in spite of the dark clouds amassing to the West, again with impressive cumulus towers. Good S’ly breeze all day, cloudier in the afternoon but still feeling warm,15˚ by 9pm. Some overnight rain forecast and there is a yellow rain warning for tomorrow afternoon, heavy and slow moving showers expected, good job I did a lot of weeding today. == Kevin in Cavan: fried router is a meal I’ve had the doubtful privilege to ‘eat’ about 8 years ago, we were lucky it didn’t cause a fire because of some paper near it which just smoldered and went out, wasn’t even a thunderstorm, just a gale that must have brought electic wires in contact with the phone line. During the thunderstorm last week, which awoke me at 2.30am, I ran around the house unplugging everything, but it still managed to knock our phone out.
On 06 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Dean.... A slight misunderstanding. Yes, the cross stays put as a register to show where the last strikes were but, if you watch the animation over several hours, the bunch of crosses all register over the same, relatively small area, while over te same time period the clouds are moving probably 500 or more miles. There must be some mechanism locking in those strikes to that specific region, sometimes the strikes don't dissipate for many hours, but eventually they tend to vanish or appear much farther away, they just don't drift 'with the clouds which are supposedly creating them'........ Looks like The Met (with lolly on their face) Office, have started mixing truth with fiction again, without seeming to know that they are talking like used car salesmen. They are mixing AGW with the symptoms of a Little Ice Age and coming up with a new theory. Read it, then weep at the bare faced (lolly covered) hypocrisy and plagiarism..>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33417413 <<
On 06 Jul 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK. Sub wrote:
I note the BBC and the MO are telling all and sundry that winters will be milder but with cold ones thrown in, Summers Will be hotter but with wet/Cool ones thrown in, this over the next 100 years they must be having a laugh at our expense.
Sounds like NORMAL weather to me, or not as the case maybe,he he he. Nice day here in dear ol Dorset County, warm clear start then cloud, then sun like this all day, just another summers day.
Oh sorry forgot this report by the Beeb and mo is all about the lead up to Paris in December, Propaganda.
On 06 Jul 2015, Richard Brown from Hull, East Yorhshire wrote:
Met Office strikes again!! Their latest offering is telling us that mild winters and drier summers are going to be the norm in the coming future!! A certain gardening program on the BBC told us this 15 years ago, adding that we needed to start growing plants from the medtterranean!! Amazing how 3 days of hot weather brings out the global warming rubbish.
On 06 Jul 2015, Ben Farrington, Moray - sub wrote:
Was listening to radio 2's jeremy vine's lunchtime show about the recent/ongoing storms. and to my amazement I heard talk of R4 and R5's and the voice of reason(truth) Mr Piers Corbyn himself selling his wares on the BBC.How much did you have to bribe them? Excellent stuff well done!
On 06 Jul 2015, Dean wrote:
Russ- the lightning is not staying in the same place- when a strike is recorded the cross recording the strike stays put just to show where it happened which will not change, often the cross changes colour according to how long ago the strike took place at that site
Warm here in Glenlivet 21C, after sunny morning clouds filling in and just had a shower
Dean
Glenlivet, Cairngorms
On 06 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
I liked C View's athletics record analogy with regard to using temps from airports. Some say that most of the rise that has been seen in surface temps is due to UHI and changes in the surroundings of even stations considered as rural. Russ - I noted a rapid dropoff in temps last night and there was condensation on the outside of my west facing upstairs bedroom window. Cool on the morning cycle ride to the station.
On 06 Jul 2015, Kevin from cavan wrote:
Serious thunderstorm here in ballyconnell at 1 30 pm Sunday 5 July mayor fork lighting and hail. I knocked out power and caused a power surge frying the broadband router. Never seen it this severe. Today it is rainy with a temp of 12.2 at 10_30am
On 06 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Has anyone noticed this when watching raintoday's radar animation? That very often, the clouds will be racing across a certain area, and lightning will be active, but watch carefully. Does the lightning stay over the same place? You can observe this regularly, when a stream of cloud is forming and passing along a certain area. The clouds can be moving very swiftly, yet the lightning strikes seem to be fixed to the spot. Yet, we are still taught/told, that the lightning is created in the clouds. If that is so, then why is all the lightning occuring in the same place even though a 500 mile long stream of cloud (not thunderheads either), is streaming past that area? And I'm not meaning over a city full of skyscrapers either! Very often over the Atlantic or southern Irish Sea. It's doing it this morning!
On 06 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Talking of "cold blasts", after a humid and hot 26.7C start to Sunday afternoon, we had a very heavy 30 minute downpour. Within 2 hours the temperature had dropped to 16.9C and this morning even at 6:30am was only 9.1C. The car windscreen was covered in condensation which was difficult to get rid of, almost like late September, a very autumnal feel.
On 06 Jul 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Here we go again with another cold blast for NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69981490/polar-blast-hitting-country. We've had a couple of mild winters so we're noticing it more this year.
On 05 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Much of the same again today, light drizzle to start overcast then sunny with big clouds, warm for a time, Max 18 deg. thundery lookin sky more huge towering clouds, it felt and looked electric when I was was planting some winter veg out but no thunder or lightning for us again, quite a few reports of thunder storms in other parts again today and see a vid of a small funnel cloud in Donegal nicely captured this aft. Some light rain this eve. and a drop in temp to 10/11 deg.
On 05 Jul 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C overnight, 14˚ at 7.30, sunny first half of the morning with impressive cumulus clouds with an altocumulus sheet above on the western horizon gradually moving further east, eventually pretty much blotting out the sun. S’ly breeze, slightly cool under the clouds, but we nevertheless got to 22˚ max. Sunnier again in the evening, 12˚ at 9pm, no wind & plenty of midges. MO was predicting 16˚ on Wed 8th, now saying 13˚ and 12˚ on Thurs, coming round to Piers’ forecast. July: helpmabob!
On 05 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
The tectonic plates are starting to shift. Greece have just told the EU to get stuffed (wonder if call me Dave is so keen on a referendum now) and Unite have just recommended Jeremy Corbyn for Labour Leader.
On 05 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
cont'd ... Ask them to choose between, telling the public whatever they are told to say and keeping their wealth - plus some, or alternatively be publicly ridiculed, then destroyed and lose everything, home, wife, money, job, respect, next stop homeless and suicidal. There are lots of celebrities speaking out about this just lately as they are being forced to make that same choice. The dark-side has many varied ways to destroy a deserter of the cause. Its no different to 300 or 600 years ago. Back then you were burned as a witch or hanged on a trumped up treason charge, whereas today, you are more than likely to end up in a hotel room with something tight around your larynx, with enough suspicious evidence left around to prove it really wasn't 'ahem'(!) suicide, as a warning to any others who might be about to make the same choice... Think of it as The Elite doing their own version of an ISIS execution, and you'll see the bigger picture... Many tentacled..and..untouchable? Probably.!!!
On 05 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
The early hours of Saturday morning we had a great thunderstorm. True subwoofer ridiculing stuff! Extremely bright lightning so must have been powerful strikes. I think it must have been the 1990s when I last 'felt' thunder that intensely; the whole place shook, like there was an earth tremor. Probably just the initial sound pressure wave hitting the house, like a flippin bomb blast! ...... C View quote: "Saying it's been hot today and quoting Heathrow or London is like saying it's been cold today and quoting the Cairngorm weather station." ... Absolutely bang on the nail-head there! This is how you tell that they must be deliberately lying, because no self respecting scientist would spout such drivel, as they know it's wrong and irrational to use such data from such an unreliable and illogical site. But if the pay packet is high enough, then I guess anyone can be bought...Give the top selected scientists a rich and comfortable lifestyle, then give them an offer they can't refuse...
On 05 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Richard Pinder- it is deliberate BBC policy to promote propaganda on global warming as it fits their socialist creed. Their in-house newspaper isn't the Guardian for nothing. Re other legacy media: journalistic standards have dropped as cuts have been made so stories only get a skim by the resident journos. Decent pieces are usually from part time contributors. Christopher Booker is a top investigative journalist and written a book about the scam. There is another legacy media problem of being in the London bubble and only accepting stories that they have originated to be true. Hence, they are often years behind the internet blogosphere. Take the EU - they are totally lost here and have almost no understanding of how it works so produce pages of drivel regarding our referendum. Good breeze yesterday but v warm in the sun. Cooled down rapidly in the evening. Rain this morning then sunny spells as the clouds cleared. Breezy again.
On 05 Jul 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
Much cooler today here 17c more like where we usually are in July here ,unless we have sunshine which we do not today ,it showed glimpses and i guess it would of rose to 21-22c much more comfortable than lying on the tarmac at Heathrow ha ha you see what i did there !!
July forecast very interesting esp for farmers and outdoor workers who need to buy/read it!
I will report from my neck of the woods weekly thanks,Richard.
On 05 Jul 2015, east side wrote:
We are still in the active part of a very intense heatwave in north & East FRANCE. This is set to continue
There will be 2 cooler days mid week, before the temps get driven up again by a stationary air boundary over France/South Germany.
Being aware of the trends 5-10 days ahead means the possibly of planning work day schedules more around the weather & alteration of waking/sleeping to cope.
We have daytime temperatures 37-39C currently.
These levels are dangerously high, requiring special measures for hydration/diet.
This means getting any serious physical work done in mornings,then knocking off for picnic lunches inc a lighter diet more suited to high temps.
Doing any travelling is for the afternoon at the most intense heat levels.
This is only possible in proper air conditioned vehicles, with delivery in cooler evening temps.
This is the way I have operated for a number of summers now, based on advanced weather data.
It's never failed to get optimum productivity
On 04 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A few heavy showers overnight sounded intense a few times close and humid at 1 am and the Honeysuckle smelt fab outside but not followed by thunder and lightning for us. Overcast heavy cloud breezy and a few sunny spells again today, some big clouds this aft. looked stormy again this eve. but just big heavy downpours getting going around 10pm on n off since, max 18 today 12 now at 11.30 pm
On 04 Jul 2015, Paddy Aberdeen South 130m elevation wrote:
11ºC at 7.30 and feeling cold in the steadily increasing rain, strong SE'ly wind which got going even more as the rain intensified, absolutely torrential downpours from about 10 onwards, yesterday's fog still here and staying all day. Rain eventually stopped around 2pm, though showers continued. Not complaining as our garden got a good soaking, especially the potatoes, as dry soil and humid air are the ideal conditions for blight to arise. 14º by 9pm. == I did mention a few weeks ago that we didn't often get thunderstorms and mostly in winter, but this year so far we have been well served so far.
On 04 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
Part (2): Monckton seems to have followed up on an investigation into the IPCC by scientist Zbigniew Jaworowski who was a principal investigator of four research projects of the International Atomic Energy Agency. He too pointed to Maurice Strong as the originator of this multi-billion pound manmade Global Warming lunacy, which limps on despite the wheels falling off. The only other competent investigative Journalist doing journalism on this subject that I know, is Donna Laframboise, who’s book “The Delinquent Teenager” is worth a read. I know that scientists are now saying that they will now have to start to do the journalism, but Monckton and Laframboise prove that there are Journalists doing Journalism. But it seems that the cause of this may be to do with the Unions of the Journalist Trade, providing lunatic advise to their own members not to do Journalism.
On 04 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
All should watch an informative documentary on the politics of Global Warming censored by the BBC: TruTV, Freeview Channel 68, 10pm, Sunday 5th July. Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, 38th governor of Minnesota. Ventura was independent of and highly critical of both the Democrats and Republicans, and is now planning to run for President in 2016 as an Independent. The Documentary has the MIT Atmospheric Physicist, Professor Richard Lindzen saying that its “a disgrace to the Scientific Community and the Environmental movement”. They also talk to investigative Journalist, Lord Christopher Monckton, one of the few competent Journalists, capable of in-depth investigation into the IPCC. Something the BBC is incapable of due to the unbelievably poor and irrelevant qualifications of its Journalists. Either that or deliberate censorship by the BBC.
On 04 Jul 2015, Paul wrote:
Cracker of a thunderstorm here in Lowestoft last night. Heard thunder at at 3AM then heavy rain from approximately 0320 to 0350AM with continuous thunder and lightning. I recorded about 3/4 inch rain. Best storm for years. They are usually quite disappointing in Lowestoft.
On 04 Jul 2015, WENDY wrote:
High Peak Derbyshire.Torrential rain during the night and sheet lightening. Plenty of fog first thing this morning, now cleared,much fresher feel,breezy with sunny spells.
On 04 Jul 2015, C View wrote:
Great comms everyone on so called record Heathrow heat. Here is my take on it. In the world of athletics you could take a long jumper for example, to a facility at altitude, then make sure they had a decent tail wind and get them to give it their best shot. You would probably get a very good new world record however it would be classed as unofficial due to the circumstances being engineered towards distance being gained. So this Heathrow record should also be thought of as "unofficial" due to UHI effect jet engines etc.. Saying it's been hot today and quoting Heathrow or London is like saying it's been cold today and quoting the Cairngorm weather station.
On 04 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Gerry - try === www.blitzortung.org/ === skies here lighting up every few seconds but all in the distance. Little rain. Moving North now.
On 04 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Sat24 doesn't seem to be picking up the storms in the south east as there has been lightning flashing around for the last couple of hours over Gatwick with some associated thunder. On the edge where I am and just had a little burst or two of rain. Could do with a good soak. Fresh easterly breeze making it quite pleasant.
On 03 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Sat 24 showing an increase in strike activity around uk and Ireland now at 11.45 pm and the rain has just started here, reports of thunder lightning and rain all over Ireland, here we go loud rain to begin :)
On 03 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Mostly overcast grey day with a few sunny spells, temp around 19/20 deg. 16/17 now at 11 pm temp has been up n down a deg. all day and eve. air switching from muggy to fresh e'ly breeze as it goes, banging head feel queasy and feels like we could get a storm, some reports of thunder on the west coast half hr or so ago and met say some rain and thunder coming up over night, could do with a bit of rain for the veg plot, first cucumber of the year from the tunnel was delicious some tomatoes ripening now can't wait to eat them next, the lawn is still really slow growing though this year (not that I'm waiting to eat it!) back to sky watching for a storm whilst fending off bugs n things dropping out of nowhere at me..
On 03 Jul 2015, Paddy Aberdeen South 130m elevation wrote:
11ºC overnight, 17º at 7.30, splendidly sunny morning, totally still at first but by 9am the SSE'ly breeze started up and put a lid on the rising temperature, it only got to 22º by midday and then the trouble started – the dreaded haar, aka East Coast Blues, started drifting in from the sea and that was the end of summer for us. Wearing a jacket was de rigeur and although it was occasionally bright, temps never recovered, 12º by 10.30 pm. Only the rain will make it go away, of which there will apparently be plenty tomorrow.
On 03 Jul 2015, @Piers_Corbyn wrote:
BRILL COMMS ALL. KEVIN YES top question. the answer is a missed R4 period 30Jun-1Jul+/-1d, which we had worked out about a week before - but not time to complete update. SLAT12b helps make sure we don't have misses of locally to any region effective R5, R4 periods. The miss in this case didn't in fact need 12b to find it. The effect of the R4 was:- tighter isobars + stronger flow from South in England = greater heat, more thunder and intense hail!! All in line with SLAT warnings of years ago of Wild Jet stream situations. This miss has some implications for forecasts going forward and they have been (mostly) sorted. THIS and more notably some other matters led to forecast production delay for which we apologise. Piers
On 03 Jul 2015, Kevin Turvy wrote:
Piers. Any idea why the storms across northern England were so intense on Wednesday evening in what was only an R2 period? Thanks Kev.
On 02 Jul 2015, Fred wrote:
Re Hottest Day.....well we were hotter than the Sahara they said.....well there we go, the Sahara was clearly cooler than average and Global Warming was not in action.
Its utterly irrelevant.....o.1c above recorded at Heathrow....farcical
On 02 Jul 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// is the Sun activity slowing are sun spots depleting - just came across on you tube a news night item on the Sun - cold winters and I am gutted no more northern lights - but then how do you explain last weeks exceptional flares - the Northern Lights were spotted over Devon end of June - what is going on ?
On 02 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Not as hot today mix of cloud and sunshine the light breeze kept it cooler than previous days but it was warm/hotish for a couple of hours max 19 deg. 15 now at 10.20 pm more still than earlier. Also a few spots of rain around 3.45 pm and a very long distant rumble of thunder, some reports of thunder/lightning/funnel type formations from some areas in Ireland today on iwo.. Another stunning sunset tonight and the surrounding sky was totally striking.. Strawberries are going mental this year have had around 6kg since the weekend :@)
On 02 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Shaun - spot on. Only one brief light shower in London during the morning. Not as warm as yesterday and quite cool once home. Evidence of heavier rain with numerous puddles. The earlier lightning on Sat24 clipped the SE and went up the North Sea. After some early evening cloud the sky has cleared. So much fresher than last night - a decent sleep in prospect.
On 02 Jul 2015, Paddy Aberdeen South 130m elevation wrote:
Today was a repeat performance of yesterday in that we had a splendid sunny and sweltering morning, by midday the temperature had risen to 30ºC, quite amazing for our latitude but not unprecedented, happened either last year or the summer before, need to look it up. However, cloudy afternoon with a fresh SSE'ly breeze which kept things cool at around 22º, a few spots of rain in the evening, still 18º at 9.50pm. Wish this weather would continue, but how likely is that up here. Ron, what temps did you have today?
On 02 Jul 2015, BLACK PEARL wrote:
On 02 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
I concur. As of 1700hrs BST the lightning over the North Sea is immense. If that had run along the length of the UK there could have been hundreds of fires and millions of pounds worth of damage. Tyneside yesterday had hail the size of golf balls and fire
***
Yes it was spectacular to watch
I think it was 'Ming the Merciless' having some fun with the earthlings
On 02 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
cont... more seriously than a total fluke. If you were inclined to believe that we have experienced the hottest July day on record, which is quite a challenge in itself considering the lying corrupt fraud committing charlatans that are making these ridiculous claims, but if you were to believe it was the hottest recorded day, then it literally means nothing in the grand chaotic scheme of weather related things and to act like it does matter is... criminal
On 02 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
cont... but natural variation but the BBC and the rest of the mindless media will make a huge deal about 1 day above average which will be entirely lost when in translation against the fact its been well below average for months. I mean for many parts its frequently 5 degrees below average for weeks.
Although the average can signal a trend towards a warmer or cooler climate, they seem to miss out all cooler parts of the cycle and compulsively obsess over the smallest amounts of warmth and when you get a day that has been warmer than all others you have to consider other obscure cycles that could be influencing that, as there are so many cycles, some known many likely unknown, cycles that never conform to an exact period of time for each cycle and many cycles that are not 100% understood, especially inregards to how those cycles interfere with other cycles and which one would dominate if over lapping etc... how can you ever possibly take a 1 day warm spell more seriously than a total
On 02 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
cont... average temps means nothing. If I give you a data set of temperatures experienced in a day the average temperature can be the least experienced actual temperature in that day so for the huge majority of the whole day the average temp was not actually physically experiences.
For most of the time the average is meaningless, it doesn't exist, it is a made up number of a set of numbers and as I said above, often throughout any measurable period the average temperature can be present for a tiny amount of time within that measured period.
The above and below bit is therefore natural, it would be more worrisome if the weather did actually continuously follow an average without much variation as that would be more obscure. As weather systems are an oscillation, they constantly go up and down, the average will be somewhere in between but daily the weather will inevitably go above and below that average line so above and below average weather isn't abnormal, or evidence of warming
On 02 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
cont... while else where goes cooler once again, I can't find any rational reason to believe that London would retain the heat through natural means that no surrounding landscape can do in a similar fashion.
This suggests to me that the recorded temps for our past, all that data used to define average is wrong because there if no logical explanation how London can be hotter than anywhere else including the 360 degrees surrounding land other than through the urban heat effect. Which makes perfect sense considering a land mass that could fit into the country of Wales multiple times houses a population 3 times greater than the whole population of Wales; which highlights the bias data or bad data and why these numbers should never be used for comparisons.
Also they fall over them selves for this one day above average while the last 3 months for most of the UK have continued to be mostly below average.
However, talking of above and below average is absurd for one vital reason anywa
On 02 Jul 2015, Shaun wrote:
Regarding Heathrows record and it being a heat island I would like to add an observation. I'm not very knowledgeable in meteorology but am in logic.
Something that I have found implausible is the Met Office data for UKs average temps. A very small section of land (London) has a higher average temp than all the surrounding land which seems itself to be an anomaly that wouldn't happen naturally. There is no reason for heat to appear in that one isolated spot of the UK with no surrounding land equaling its temperature. Cold fronts or warm fronts come across the country from various directions that could be likened to waves, the JS moves and a wave of warm air comes northward from hotter climates.
So surely the warmth shouldn't just exist in London but from which ever coastal region it crossed to reach London and any regions past it too until the warm front loses momentum or the JS shifts. Maybe the heat pools in London while it dissipates elsewhere but...
On 02 Jul 2015, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
A statistic more relevant to SE gardeners is the drought since mid-April. Spring growth was wonderful, but summer crops are struggling badly. Huge cracks have emerged in the no-dig beds and potatoes have simply not been swelling very well.
We badly need a thundery downpour of 1 inch + if the summer growing season is not to be a write off.
On 02 Jul 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
I concur. As of 1700hrs BST the lightning over the North Sea is immense. If that had run along the length of the UK there could have been hundreds of fires and millions of pounds worth of damage. Tyneside yesterday had hail the size of golf balls and fire >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33360867 <<.
On 02 Jul 2015, John Blakely wrote:
OMG amazing thunderstorms and mega hail yesterfay absolutely confirming Piers R2 period WELL DONE YET AGAIN PIERS !!!
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Meto got back to me so i wrote back thus "Met wrote "Observations have been made at Heathrow for 66 years, making it a valuable long running historical record." [my words now-->] here are some pics of heathrow from 1950 where we learn "Before the first terminal was completed in 1955, the airport was a collection of tents" www.wings900.com/vb/general-squawk-talk/29576-london-heathrow-early-pics.html So not really like with like? heathrow then is not heathrow now so the temperatures can't be claimed as continuous? Never mind that London heat island has probably increased too?. How much temperature increase do you allow for the extra buildings replacing tents since 1949?" I'd be surprised if they respond lol. The point is all this hottest ever stuff needs to be challenged because now with screaming headlines in media every co2 kook is coming out demanding action over climate change when in fact its just the London heat island. But i think i made enough of a point now lol!
On 02 Jul 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Richard - what did you expect from the on message BBC in their propaganda campaign for COP Paris? Heat is global warming while cold is weather unless they are using the heat is cold routine - laughable really. Cool on the way into to work and overcast in London. Sat24 showing a large number of lighting records in N France heading up into the south-east.
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
The brightest and best at Newsnight wheeled out a climate scientist because the hottest day is a 'reminder of man made climate change' [rolleyes]. No its not.As Meto admit its a reminder of the London heat island effect. The air was heated up by london. The real temp was 3c lower. No doubt Meto with their airport heavy stations reading will be adding them up and show us 'proof' of warming. And they get £100m for that kind of 'science'.
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
If that is Meto's logic then this hot air stayed south of the river thames heated up by london all the time till Kew then jumped over to heathrow [and apparently gravesend missed the northsea/thames cooling that london city got?} So all heathrow was then was heat island effect if london warmed it up? So 100 years ago this temp would not have been reached given the heat island would have been less and there would have been no heathrow airport full of hundreds of hot jets? So this record is actually an artificial record made up of very modern factors without which it would never have happened. Don’t find that caveat in the press. “100 years ago it would have been 34c ”. Which would make london city the real temp because according to Meto it didn’t have the heat island and that temp at london city was 3c lower.
On 02 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
30/6/15 Phoenix park recorded 25.7 deg so as you can see not too hot too spicy!-)
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
wow meto responded quickly to my question. They wont post here i suspect so i will repeat what they said to my question why london city was 3 c cooler than heathrow which is a massive difference. They said in response on their blog "It’s all down to the wind direction. It was blowing in from the east/southeast yesterday so temperatures at London City Airport would have been lower due to the influence of a breeze from the North Sea in the morning and the Thames in the afternoon, while Heathrow would have had air that had warmed further as it passed over London. You can see this effect in the maxima for the day; Shoeburyness 26.3C, Gravesend 34.7C, Kew Gardens 35.7C and Heathrow 36.7C"
On 02 Jul 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Yesterday started overcast warm and muggy, in the afternoon there was longer bursts of sunshine and some massive clouds about to watch, max temp was 23 deg. hot and close at times but not too hot to enjoy, the previous day was the hottest day this year here but I wouldn't of said it was worthy of a write up! Some heavy cloud moved in later yday, and the sky darkened in places thought maybe a storm would kick off but it passed over stayed dry and a nice evening instead with some sun, a nice sunset also. Some big clouds around again this morn with sun and 15 deg. at 9 a.m feels a bit cooler at the mo. chance of thunder later...
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
8c drop in meto forecast from what it was a couple days ago. Originally their super heated models were predicting for my location 29c today. Now its 21c ie normal temps and guess who predicted that lol.
On 02 Jul 2015, Paddy, Aberdeen South 130m elevation wrote:
01.07.15 17ºC at 7.30, brilliant sunny morning, though with a strong S’ly breeze, max temp 22º. Clouding over by midday and getting quite a bit cooler, a few rumbles of thunder and very little rain with big drops, the thunderstorms having moved further inland. 13ºby midnight. == Today: awakened at 2.30 by tremendous thunderstorm quite a distance to the South, long time elapse between lightning & thunder, but very loud and frequent for about half an hour, our phone line got knocked out, writing this from a neighbour’s satellite link. 18º at 7.30, warmest morning this year so far, topping yesterday. More obs later.
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
found a picture of heathrow weather station https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/wmo03772-heathrow/
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
One must wonder why on the hotest day 1 july there is a 3c difference between heathrow and london city airport. Maybe london city is on a mountain? lol. Actually one would expect central london to be hotter than the suburbs. When i find a picture of the heathrow weather station location i will post it.
London Heathrow Airport (25 m) 37.0 °C
Northolt (39 m) 36.0 °C
Gravesend Broadness (10 m) 35.0 °C
St. James's Park (5 m) 35.0 °C
Wittering (84 m) 35.0 °C
Wisley (38 m) 35.0 °C
Doncaster Airport (12 m) 34.0 °C
Charlwood (58 m) 34.0 °C
Marham (21 m) 34.0 °C
Cranwell (62 m) 34.0 °C
Bedford (84 m) 34.0 °C
Woburn (89 m) 34.0 °C
East Midlands Airport (94 m) 34.0 °C
London City Airport (5 m) 34.0 °C
http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/current?LANG=en&UP=0&R=310&TYP=tmax&ART=tabelle&LANG=en&DATE=1435748400&KEY=UK&LAND=UK&CONT=ukuk&SORT=3&SI=mph&CEL=C&UD=0
On 02 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
As predicted if one removes the airports and usual heat islands like st james park etc no records were broken http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/maps/current?LANG=en&DATE=1435748400&CONT=ukuk&LAND=UK&KEY=UK&SORT=3&UD=1&INT=06&TYP=tmax&ART=tabelle&RUBRIK=akt&R=310&CEL=C&SI=mph As for comparing temps to 100 years ago then compare cities then to what they are now as huge heat generators [which is why CET is useless given the original locations were in pre industrial country rural locations and now some locations are housing.... Meto go out of their way to present data in a misleading way so it fits in with their religious doctrines of co2 as a 'sin' that no doubt in some minds insist be purified from earth. Meto is not a safe pair of hands but acts like an evangelical pressure group.
On 02 Jul 2015, Richard Pinder wrote:
BBC says it’s the hottest July day ever. 98F at Heathrow. I looked into my Guinness book of records, given to me by my Grandfather in the 1960,s. It says that it was 100.5F at Tonbridge on 22nd July 1868, and also 100.5F in London on 8th July 1808. I have also written notes in the book. One says that it was 101F at Wimbledon on 24th June 1994. As for Me personally, living in Yorkshire, I have a note that says that the highest temperature that I have ever experienced was 99F on 3rd August 1990. But today, the highest temperature recorded where I live was 80F. I did not even bother to take off my vest, or open the windows. But then when the BBC said Heathrow, It reminded me of that picture of an automated weather station at that airport with that jet aircraft lined up perfectly. No need for Met Office adjustments to present day measurements at Heathrow then.
On 01 Jul 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
The US Space and Science Research Corporation has dropped the use of the ground based temperature series from NOAA, NASA and HadCrut from its Global Climate Status Report because they are fiddling the figures (hence my use of temperature series since they are not genuine data) so much that there is now 264% differential between them and the satellite data. Slowly but surely they are getting found out. Absolutely roasting in London when leaving the office where the aircon kept it very comfy. Aircon on the train home too but not for some carriages - not nice since the windows don't open bar some almost useless ones. A slow ride home on my bike in the heat. Not much breeze to cool the air like last night.Mary was correct about storms as I saw flashes of lightning over Gatwick but no thunder. A brief burst of rain. 10 degrees F hotter in my room this evening.
On 01 Jul 2015, AndyB 45d sub @250ft wrote:
Our Monmouth MP David TC Davies is one the best at fighting our corner challenging the climate committee
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/30/top-climate-scientist-warns-global-warming-is-relevant-even-if-it-doesnt-happen/
On 01 Jul 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
"The UK has seen the hottest July day on record, with temperatures hitting 36.7C (98F). The Met Office said the reading had been registered at Heathrow - breaking the previous record set in 2006." ===
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-33324881 === this is where they measure it === https://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/image-95.jpg === "UHI, both local and distance, major airport close to dense urban, city, transport links. Includes 4 lane underpass tunnel, North entrance in image top left, equipment building to left with standby generator and air conditions... This is a site known on the Talkshop and known bad." === https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/08/30/wmo03772-heathrow/ === now that's what I call man made warming
On 01 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
why airports give hot readings http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/28/how-not-to-measure-temperature-part-86-when-in-rome-dont-do-as-the-romans-do/ interestingly i cannot find a picture of the location of this super hot station at heathrow. I wonder why.
On 01 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Meto is so predictable in their agenda its boring. They used heathrow as the measure. A place filled with acres of tarmac and concrete with no trees or shrubs with hundreds of hot jet engines blasting away. NO AIRPORT SHOULD BE USED FOR TEMPERATURE ESPECIALLY NOT HEATHROW. And meto can't understand why they have a credibility problem. Tomorrow we will see what the highest temp was at a non airport weather station. BBC/meto don't big up orkney and their problem with cold, farmers making losses due to the wet http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/orkney-island-farmers-forced-to-sell-cattle-early-after-increased-rainfall-and-low-temperatures-10356019.html
On 01 Jul 2015, Rob Horler wrote:
Another interesting little snippet regarding our former minister for climate and the man responsible for our vast reduction in C02 obligations:
http://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/business/miliband-to-meet-ministers-in-bid-to-save-pit-1-7333525
Oh the irony that Mr Milliband is upset that Hatfield will be closing. Would anyone have seriously believed in 1984 at the height of rage against Thatcher during the miners strikes that even had they won then the pits would have closed by now due to our C02 obligations signed up to by......Ed Milliband. Suprised he has the nerve. Breaks my heart when i visit the valleys these days and see how run down they are. Plenty of useless prayerwheels standing about one of the towns there last week, not suprisingly stationary.
On 01 Jul 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
Peak of 36.0 in my garden here in Bedfordshire at 15.21 01/07/15
On 01 Jul 2015, Rob Horler wrote:
36 at Heathrow then. My Bbc local station described it as 36 in "London". Why not be straight. When I was a child I remember putting the thermometer in my tea to try to get a day off School, thats dishonest as well. I am sure there is no denial that certain urban areas are warmer than the past, nobody denies it but this is just cherry picking. Here in Bristol they use Filton to illustrate the hottest part of the city, it hit 30 by all accounts but remeber there is a runway at Filton as well. I went for a run just to gauge the heat and I have to say i have ran in hotter conditions in July.
On 01 Jul 2015, east side wrote:
All indications are of intensification of the massive heatwave hitting France, until a few days respite around the 9th.
It was already a hot end to June, but the JS has brought really hot dry conditions from north Africa directly, bringing unusually intense heat to areas as high up as Belgium and Lux.
Suspect it's going to be a total scorcher for France until around 15th August, the CLASSIC moment there, where the "grandes chaleurs" drop off and the severe thunderstorms in the north + east start.
Suprisingly Meteo France is not giving much optic of the evolution of the situation beyond early next week.
Is it possible they don't know what to expect?
On 01 Jul 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
Met Office just released on Twitter that today (so far at 3:30pm) is officially the hottest July day on record with temperatures at Heathrow (probably on the runway behind a Boeing 767 taking off) just hit 36.7c (98.1f). Tomorrow looks like being 15c cooler with heavy rain. Luvverly!
On 01 Jul 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
We reached 27c here in Redcar Tuesday, yes it was hot but that is because so far this summer temperatures have been repressed on normal,especially for June in my neck of the woods.Let us see what the rest of summer brings and enjoy the pleasant weather when its here because it never usually lasts . :)
On 01 Jul 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
current meto 5 day has revised down the temps by about 4c which is about the size of the warming bias their models have built in. But the bbc propaganda about hotter than rio [isn't it winter there?] trundles on. As we have seen the recent temp recordings are fiddled to accentuate their co2 warming bias which makes the current temperature records unreliable and thus useless as any measure. The one on the tarmac at heathrow near the jet engines might give the hottest reading and its probably the one they love the most. The current Uk weather establishment give the impression its being run by airheads and bimbos who are only in it for the money and the lifestyle?
On 01 Jul 2015, Bob Weber, USA N Mich subscriber wrote:
Piers' June forecast was exceptionally accurate with good timing for New Mexico with "dust storms" and a major increase in wildfires. R5 9-11th for us delivered rains, some hail, on time. Derecho & tornadoes in Midwest occurred with major solar wind hit, solar flare, high hemispheric power, protons, electrons up, caused high Kp on 23rd during R4 forecast - ie classic "electric weather". "Heatwave continues" KS/NB per forecast for 29/30th spot on as its mid-90's right now 9pm EDT - although it's hotter than blazes still in OR contrary to forecasted cool there. May solar flux averaged 120.1 sfu (sfu=10^-22 W/m2/Hz), June ave was 123.1. USAF @ 116 sfu for July... F10.7 solar radio bursts Jun18 @ 568 sfu! and Jun22 @ 247 sfu from lone big sunspot now on farside. Finished Penelope's greenhouse this month! It can get 40 degrees hotter in there than outside at high noon, like being in the desert at 120F! Yes, El Nino is driven by solar flux, as I'll show in my solar flux presentation.
On 30 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Quite close and still towards midnight windows wide open, we could do with a storm, sat 24 has a fair few strikes showing off the south uk
On 30 Jun 2015, Man Bearpig wrote:
Just so non gets taken in about hottest day evah, I am sure there are people that remember the summer of 1976 before global warming
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_United_Kingdom_heat_wave
"... for 15 consecutive days from 23 June to 7 July temperatures reached 32.2 °C ....."
" ... five days saw temperatures exceed 35 °C (95 °F). On 28 June, temperatures reached 35.6 °C ..."
" ... The hottest day of all was 3 July, with temperatures reaching 35.9 °C (96.6 °F) in Cheltenham, one of the hottest July days on record in the UK. ..."
On 30 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
14 deg start warming up quite quickly to 23 max despite the cloud persisting the sun was hot when it got through, a good enough day for a day off, paddling pool had warmed enough from putting it up yesterday for the kids to enjoy and the breeze giving a nice tan a factor 20 did the job and the kids & me lookin less pale, the cloud cover that was at first annoying became fascinating to watch on a blanket as they came in some interesting shapes n sizes, seen some great shots of lots of lenticular clouds around Ireland today on the net. Sunnier finish to the day 17 deg and mostly clear sky at 10.30 pm pleasent to sit out still and view the moon getting fuller.
On 30 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
14˚C at 7.30 and warming up, pretty overcast though with as SW’ly breeze. However, by midday big sunshine & temps rose to 26˚, another first for this year and hopefully not a last. T-shirt & shorts weather, great to have had the breeze, kept things very pleasant. Still 18˚ at 9.30pm, wow! ==Lorraine: I know we’re piling it on to you but overpopulation IS a myth, short video here http://bit.ly/1Hvu6Ed, longer lecture here http://bit.ly/1BSVZna difficult to argue with the maths as you will see, I’ve posted these before. East Side: Piers put it very diplomatically. Craig: spot on as usual; so do you think I should cancel my order for 15 banana plants for the front garden? And not bother with the 2 acres of sweet potatoes? :-)
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...cont...sustainable does not mean wind turbines, biofuels, solar panels etc. They do work in a horses for courses way, but not everywhere needs a horse. Look at California, a place known for historic droughts, where they grow water intensive crops!? Eh? It's like trying to grow oranges in the Arctic tundra=not sustainable. There are plenty of areas, especially in the tropics, with plentiful rainfall that experience as much rainfall every couple of months that we in the UK get annually. Example is the N/S divide for UK. The Sth is on av. drier+warmer - evidenced well this year by the differing rates plants emerged in Spring - roughly 4 wks ahead here - & the below av rainfall since Jan. We should therefore grow different crops (depending on ranges-some crossover). Growing Mediterranean crops in Scot, despite current advice for future, is not sustainable (unless in polytunnels) on the whole. Down Sth it can work as we tend not to get many really deep frosts.
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Gerry brings up a good point about land clearance/population (in America less land is now used for agriculture i.e. more forests etc returning - decimation for wood pellets notwithstanding). Land clearance can be v. detrimental for environment+us. On mountains it means there is more run off when it rains=floods. Trees provide shade, create rain === http://joannenova.com.au/2013/12/land-clearing-responsible-for-most-of-rainfall-decline-in-south-west-western-australia/ === more concrete means UHI/warmer nights, less land to absorb rainfall (building on floodplains reduces absorption/more run off), exposure to wind erosion (30's dustbowl) & so on. Yes we affect the land. Kip Hansen on Dominican Republic "The direct cause of these massive floods, with almost flash-flood intensity, is the historic deforestation of the surrounding mountains. The cure is reforestation – a cure that will take generations." === http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/03/lago-enriquillo-revisted/
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Gerry - yep! It's hardly new either. Certainly when I first did Geography at school it was obvious (about the only prediction right from then is declining populations growth rates - excluding immigration - quite obvious in Japan). When you look at 'developed' nations progress (far from perfect) is it any wonder why India want that for their people and why they have such issues with Greenpiece? Greens sadly are Marie Antoinette's - let them have 'windmills and solar farms'. No system is perfect but then burning dung to cook and cutting forests when you have no access to coal/oil/gas because of blanket bans is not 'imperfect' but inhuman in this day and age, yet everyday that is what we are being led to tell the less well off and those in poverty ===
http://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/greenimperialism-so-much-better-for-poor-people-to-die/ === if we get a cold European winter & limited access to energy will our forests last?
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...instead of viewing our climate optimum as just that we view it with fear and suspicion. We also ignore the ingenuity of our species, our ability to adapt (if the river keeps flooding we move to higher ground rather than being King 'CO2' Canute). Be careful of the environmental movement when it makes us view our brother and sisters as something different than us. It is a dangerous road when we dehumanise others for ideology. // Hot, hot, hot! Lovely breeze tho' by opening windows on shaded side. Not looking forward to muggy nights but t-storms should be good! The hottest spell since 2006 - brought to you not by CO2 but a meridional jetstream. Enjoy it (if you don't melt) whilst it lasts. It does seem to be a response to the recent solar uptick, which then crashed (current SSN 36/Flux 97). El Nino also upticked in tandem with solar flux, wonder if it will ease off if solar activity stays low? Earth does seem very susceptible to fluctuations in activity this solar cycle.
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...cont... now having access to clean air, food, water & cheap reliable energy (all of which lead to smaller family sizes) is what we should focus on, but how can we have this debate when we have so many who view CO2 (of which man's contribution is minuscule) as pollution(?!) leading us to put aside food to use for biofuels, to chop down forests to burn as wood pellets or to clear for palm oil or opposing cheap energy for the poor instead using the most unreliable, energy intensive unsustainable alternatives - leaving toxic open cast mines so we can build prayer wheels (they really are follies & a symptom of societal sickness). Consider - we now use less land to produce more food (more co2 helps), cheap energy means we can cope with climate changes-something our forebears were less able to cope with. Why do we not look at the positives? Why are we stuck in the Armageddon mindset that has plagued us for millennia-yet here we still are? How did we survive the Maunder?
On 30 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Population growth is responsible for habitat loss. EU policies on bio-fuel are also responsible for habitat loss since the demand for palm oil has shot up due to subsidies for 'green' fuel. Misguided western policies on energy are making life worse for developing nations by denying them property electricity supplies. But that policy is not something I or most people support - it is the governments in thrall to the eco-Marxists. Craig hits it spot on with the fact that as economies develop population growth decreases.
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...cont... In the news lately is the "6th extinction" myth expounded by Paul Erlich of 'Population Bomb' fame who has been crying wolf for decades despite the evidence showing his mouth & backside have swapped places. The people pushing these myths are deeply anti-human. Sorry Erlich but the only disease on the planet is you & your ilk in the UN (Maurice Strong). Saying resources are scarce is a good way of pushing up prices=market manipulation. It's like one Big Issue seller I see who always claims it's his last copy then five minutes later has another load. But do we tar all Big Issue sellers because of one 'bad apple'? Do we throw out the baby with the bathwater? That's what we are being told to believe. The proof of this theory is how many Erlich's, Gore's & Oreskes* practice what they preach? *so worried about consumerism she takes 5k mile round trips to ski. === http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/22/naomi-oreskes-climate-activist-harvard-professor-hypocrite/
On 30 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Lorraine - the population myth has been going for centuries. It is rather pernicious and imo makes us view each other with suspicion not open arms. We are always told we are doomed yet here we still are. The simple answer anyway is development & viewing development as an ongoing process. The agricultural revolution never stopped. Look at the polytunnel comments here-not something available 100y ago. Look how population growth rates slow dramatically as higher living standards are achieved. India for example, despite mass poverty, is not the place it was in my youth. We no longer need to have several children to ensure our genes are passed on as child mortality has dropped so there is a much higher chance our children live to become adults. This is not so in many parts of the world where children die which brings life expectancy down ===
http://pop.org/content/debunking-myth-overpopulation === cont...
On 30 Jun 2015, Geoff wrote:
so we should really be giving 3 cheers for the altruists building their prayer wheels because they are-sort of- sustainable?I I'd like to see rather more numbers in support of the 85/15 split, and in particular of the max sustainable population if we stopped being so jolly beastly hypocritical. I fear the end run would be a small exceedingly wealthy priesthood consuming say 1% of what is available total but per capita rather higher than today, while the rest of us faithful peasants live at substantially lower than the current 15% experience. Mass ignorance, mass slaughter in the Temples and lots of blood offerings. Jolly Good Show eh?
On 30 Jun 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
THANKS ALL! GREAT COMMS! I SEE A LIVELY AND IMPORTANT DEBATE COMING SO PLEASE ALL BE CAREFUL HOW you put things to get the content of your messages ax rather than getting diverted into form ==== AND OF COURSE TODAY IS 30 JUNE - Last day of 2/3 OFF OFFER so please Act On IT and PASS IT ON! THANX!!
On 30 Jun 2015, east side wrote:
I hate this form of gross hypocrisy.
"you cannot ignore the fact that increase in population is a very big threat to humanity. I do think that we need to play a part in reducing emissions by reducing our dependency on fossil fuels". Where do you get this kind of right wing trash from?
The world's population is perfectly sustainable if you didn't get 85% of the world's resources plundered & exploited by 15% of the world's population, then when they start trying to give morality lessons about energy efficiency etc.
Some of the world's biggest plagues/killers & exploitation stories are in countries routinely denied treatment by the rich (eg. Aids in Africa/Russia).
In effect the rich already impose a cull on the weak.
The biggest addicts to fossil fuel &excess energy use, have always been those with the technology to extract it & use most of it.
Some of the highest users are those who most efficiently sponsor wars (more mass culls)eg. in Syria,Ukraine, Iraq in who's name?
On 30 Jun 2015, AndyB 45d sub @250ft wrote:
Thanks Piers for the great 2/3 off offer I subscribed another 12 months of your great service
On 29 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// I did watch the David Attenborough and President Obama chat on BBC I player and really you cannot ignore the fact that increase in population is a very big threat to humanity. I do think that we need to play a part in reducing emissions by reducing our dependency on fossil fuels. The positive outcome would be if all scientists came together to discuss the planet and the challenges we face. All truths should be aired openly and honestly, I will pick up litter that isn't mine off the beach if it means that might save a turtle from dying. I will march in rallies to save an area of land that may be developed upon and I will conserve energy and recycle as much as I can. The sun will drive our weather but we all need to play a part even by the smallest deed while we are here to help Mother Earth to be harmonious and balanced and to allow future generations to experience this beautiful place. Amen
On 29 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Some sunny spells warm for a time clouded over again this aft. SW'ly breeze, now SE'ly with some light drizzle at times for the last few hours Max 19 deg. 15 now at 11.30 pm with humidity building as the evening progressed.
On 29 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C overnight, 15˚ at 7.30, sunny until about 10, then cloudier for most of the remaining day, max temp nevertheless 21˚ but W’ly wind quite cool at times without the sun. 16˚ at 9pm. == Happy to say that we have a good first ‘crop’ of swallows, from only two breeding pairs we now have around 10 altogether, and that’s only the first brood.
On 29 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Ron - Couldn't agree more Sunday was very wet to start dried up briefly in the afternoon but with heavy showers and then became cool wet and breezy not the" starting off with some light rain but very quickly becoming dry with some sunshine the MO promised"
On 29 Jun 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
RON - Piers would send them packing as he always has done. The minute he writes up a paper and forgets to copyright it is the exact same moment the Meto steal his theories and suddenly have a noticeable uprise in long-range forecast accuracy!
On 29 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
STEVE DEVINE: yes, I see the usual suspects are on the Hudson blog. Wonder if they would have the guts to post on this one? Piers has got the better of them before, so they probably won't dare.
On 29 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Challenge in Boston is to predict when their huge snow pile will finally melt away. St John's Newfoundland has a similar if smaller pile still there. ht Iceagenow. Also update from DMI of Arctic ice which you won't hear from Hudson and the BBC no doubt since it is increasing. Nice day on Saturday matching Piers forecast even down to the high cloud which allowed the moon the light the sky as we sat out having a bbq until the small hours. Sunday was breezy with showers coming across with long periods overcast. Sunny start to today but the cloud has increased to reduce the sun.
On 29 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
which select committee overseas the audit of the public money given to Meto and decides that it is 'value for money' for the public? What metric is used as 'success'? when was the last time there was an audit? Should the money not be open to tender? Given Meto Houghton's idea that co2 is a 'sin' its no wonder the Khalifate of Rome thinks its something worth piggy backing on? How long will they be allowed to behead evidence based science?
On 29 Jun 2015, kevin wrote:
i live in cavan on the north of ireland border. herre i have stats on daily weather for pass 17 years. this present year has been the coldest so far in these 17 years . cant believe they are using the pope to spread their untruths about climate change. at the moment here it is bright with a temperture of 16.7
On 29 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
I was out on Loch Laidon fishing for trout Fri/Sat and the MObeeb forecast failed us miserably, both physically and intellectually.Little sign of the ridge of high pressure forecasted. It was windy, cool and very wet at times. Because of the cloud cover it was not possible to do a complete comparison of the photo shots of the Glen Coe/Glen Etive hills with those we took on the same weekend last year, but it was very clear, that there was markedly more lying snow beds than last year. So much in fact that even with the coming hot spell on Wed they will last in to July.
On 29 Jun 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
RON : Good spot regarding Paul Hudson's blog. Piers, you get a few mentions on there. Care to comment? http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/entries/7ad1a052-9934-435a-a2f2-4bbd412b836d#comments
On 29 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
STEVE ROOTH: Yes indeed and I 've been on the Paul Hudson blog in support of Piers. The hypocrisy of some of the warmist commentary is a disgrace.
On 29 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Max temp 18 deg. Yesterday 12 at 10 pm a mix of overcast sun and a couple of light short showers, 13 and grey 7.30 this morn. The constant changing of their climate story is just getting more see through every year, especially with the chaotic contrasts in real weather, they are fast running out of versions....
On 29 Jun 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
THANKS ALL Especialy: 1 FRANK H - Yes I hope too but fighting for reality and truth is hard and somewhat lonely (certainly a minority pursuit). 2 EASTSIDE - Suberbly well observed and put Wild-Jet-Stream / Mini-Ice-Age REALITY IS HERE NOW. ALL HOW TO GET THERE - ie demise of MetO-BBC-Papal BULL and ascendency of [evidence based rational*] Science. *Of course there is no other type of science, it is a telling sign of the times that we have to spell it out as various religious approaches substitute for science. How to get there REQUIRES spreading the word by each and everyone MORE and right now for me the most important activity is propagating WeatherAction forecasts which again and again and again outshine all other approaches. SO PLEASE GET TO IT! PROMOTE THE 2/3 OFF ABOUT TO END DEALS - to get in NEW subscribers and give a reward to existing customers who take renewals (inc extensions from wherever current subscription ends). Thanks Piers
On 29 Jun 2015, east side wrote:
More people in human history died of failed harvests, cold & famine than they have done of excess warmth.
It's possible the era of "plenty" and the modern warm period is over, but all we hear is the British as usual complaining about the weather (!), suggesting it will continue to be too warm.
All this is from a met office which has failed 10/10 to get a single summer forecast accurate in a decade.
Summer 2015 has some extreme temperature contrasts with a pronounced N>S split thanks to the extra jetstream instability.
The north of Europe has this area of cold which became predominant since April, causing an unusually late & freezing spring, continuing into July.
The south (eg. France), has an area of african/azores air, characterised by phases of violent thunderstorms & extreme heat.
This week is forecast a severe heatwave in France,-a contrast of nearly 20C with N Europe...
This has some dangerous high temps & may be followed by equally powerful dangerous storms.
On 28 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
12˚C by 7.30 and one could have been forgiven for thinking we were back into last week’s gray & cold as it was raining steadily and feeling a bit cold in the W’ly wind. However, by 11am this was all history and we ended up with our warmest day so far this year at 24˚. Lovely flat-bottomed cumulus clouds all day, occasionally long enough to blot out the sun in the afternoon, but glorious evening allowing us to have our supper on the lawn, couldn’t have imagined this a few days ago. 15˚ at 9pm, feeling cooler in the breeze.
On 28 Jun 2015, Adam Awl wrote:
Hi Piers,
Belatedly, I've read the Pope's recent comments on climate change...
...I believe this is what they call Papal Bull !
Adam
On 28 Jun 2015, S Rooth wrote:
Steve Rooth. N e Derbyshire s45 subscriber
The usual nonsense on P Hudson's global warming program (today's local radio 1pm). If your nerves can stand such brainwashing tedium,be sure to listen to every tingling minute
On 28 Jun 2015, Frank Hopson wrote:
Well done, Piers....!
As more listen to reason and observe what's really happening, hopefully the situation will turn around before things get any worse....
On 28 Jun 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
So Piers, we have the MO saying we are sailing into a mini ice age but that global warming will save us all, What a two faced bunch of people they are, surly they should be warning us of the consequences of an iced up country each year with the odd mild winter and good summer thrown in. What will be the consequences to agriculture, they haven't a clue as you say.
On 28 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
What are the odds that we are going to hear a lot more about global warming from UK warmists, this coming week?
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