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On 28 Jun 2015, Alister wrote:
Eh? I think that MetO have been very clear as to the likely high temps forecast this week. Any weather warning will probably be closer to the time as they won't want too much egg on face if it proves to be overstated.
On 27 Jun 2015, Richard Brown from Hull, East Yorhshire wrote:
A forecast of hot weather for the coming week and no advance weather warnings from the Met office!! Perhaps they will wait until people are admitted to hospital with heatstroke before putting a warning out. Or are they getting together their latest "this extreme weather is due to global warming" bunkum ready to put out to their followers!
On 27 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
14˚C at 7.30 and brilliantly sunny - what’s going on? We’ve had roughly 9 days of cloud & murk, so we’re a little perplexed at the sudden appearence of the sun. Ideal pressure set up as well today: LP in N Atlantic, HP over continent, mild & moist SW’ly airflow, usually not very stable but long may it continue. Very sunny morning, temp soaring to 22˚, very nice thank you, cloudier afternoon but sunny again in the evening, perfect summer day. 14˚ by 10pm & perfectly still.
On 27 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
More overcast today and light showers becoming a bit heavier this eve. giving the ground a much needed soaking,
max temp 19 deg. 15 now at 8.30 pm s'ly wind around 27 kph Heaps of strawberries this week 12 jars of jam made as well as eating them fresh outta the garden..
On 27 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
See! I only have to type the words, "year without a summer", and the temperature soars! Of course every county in the UK has had heavy showers except us. Nothing new there then! Nothing new there now!! Very humid too........... Glastonbury hahahaha! Why do they insist on having the festival when there's the best chance of heavy rain showers? Is Mr Eavis a global warmer, full of hope that this year he'll get a drought instead of a washout?......... Huge mound of snow in Boston (source: IceAgeNow). You've heard of the speed of sound and the speed of light, well how about the speed of melt? The mound is completely covered in dark dirt. The article writer says that the sun is slow to melt the mound. But direct sunlight would be reflected off the white snow and is instead absorbed by the dark dirt. But if the dirt is several centimetres thick, how much insulation would this give the snow? It also insulates it from the 80C warm air... Warm air and rain melts snow not direct sunlight...!
On 27 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Re Black Pearl - The ignorant POTS Obama doesn't want to learn anything, he just wants confirmation of his ignorance. The fall of Attenborough from respected presenter to global warming stooge is a crying shame. Spaceweather shows big drop in sunspots and SFU - it appears that half the solar disk is almost devoid of sunspots. One of the warmest days in London so far and even warm into the evening as I attended the O2 for the excellent Fleetwood Mac. Interesting point at work where city dweller said it was a warm night on Thurs but not down here in the country. UHI at work? Something the great data fiddlers brush over. Strong breeze pushing along the clouds this morning but warm.
On 26 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
More in the way of blue sky, still some big clouds some thundery looking with light spots of rain on a few occasions but mostly warm and sunny max 20 deg. 13 now at 10pm
On 26 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
15˚C at 7.30, still grey but feeling much milder in the light SW’ly breeze, rain for a while after 8 but then the sun came out at certain moments during the morning and it was pleasant to be working, it got to 21˚ by mid morning, if it was like that every day I would be happy with the summer. The afternoon was cloudier, somewhat less milde and after 6pm rain off & on, quite windy with the rain & noticeably cooler, 13˚ by 9pm.
On 26 Jun 2015, GerryB wrote:
Health Warning re Climate Change.
https://sites.google.com/site/mytranscriptbox/2015/20150623_r5
On 26 Jun 2015, BLACK PEARL wrote:
Why didnt he ask David Bellamy someone with no agenda
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33280621
On 26 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Winter 63 - no memories others than stories as I had only just arrived in the World. The reason that I and others would like to see a good winter is that it would indicate the start of the cooling and end the global warming myth. The MetO may or may not know the truth but they do have a dog in the fight and will face ridicule when global warming is busted. Re current forecast - with the accuracy of a day we are in the dry and v warm 22-25 june forecast and there is most certainly high cloud. Very brief splash of rain while waiting at Purley station this morning. From spaceweather - is the predicted CME for tomorrow not on Piers's forecast? Will this cause a change?
On 26 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Ron - given we have had flat temperature for nearly 20 years, I don't think staying the same is likely. The evidence points to cooling and therefore they will have to explain why it is cooling. The MetO's drivel about we won't notice the cold because of the heat retains a deluded belief in their models showing warmth. Reality says it will cool. Stephen - I disagree regarding iceagenow since the majority of the posts are factual ones reporting actual conditions. I think it is counterproductive to put too many warning posts up as they often come to nought, although in his defence they are official warnings. But then we know how well the MetO does on that score. Sizzling Spring anyone? Warmer day yesterday and the same today with more sun. However, each evening as I wonder around my garden from 7.30pm, you can't help but notice the drop off in heat. Not sitting out in a t-shirt weather at 8pm that's for sure.
On 26 Jun 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
Yes central heating was not the norm in 1963, but you survived, the inside of the windows frosted over at times when the night temps got down to minus 25 Ish. Let's hope all the mad fools who believe in global warming are correct and get warming, these MP,s will need their coats if the central heating in the tumbledown talking shop goes on the blink.
On 26 Jun 2015, Allan wrote:
Great going Piers, big quake south of Japan and big aurora too.
On 26 Jun 2015, Michael Hurley wrote:
I also experienced the winter of 1963 and I can assure all who did not that it was not a pleasant time at all.In my part of Wales the temperature never got above freezing
from late December 1962 until almost mid February 1963.They also moan about austerity today,what a laugh,in 1963 most people in this area did not have central heating but mostly coal fires,although as it`s south Wales we were not short of coal.Fuuny too that we hardly ever saw anyone overweight!
On 26 Jun 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
25th June Stephen Parker wrote about the winter of 1963 and was saying he looks forward to winters like it.
Well if you like freezing your socks off for months on end then ok, but I for one who lived through it hope we don,t get many like it, it was extremely cold, very exciting at times, but oh so boring and I was glad to see the spring that year.
Now with the brainwashing going on by our chums at the BBC vis global warming you can expect lots of death as heating would be a major problem foisted by the greens and fellow travellers at the likes of the climate act and all the utter rubbish talked, bear this in mind our climate has not changed very much other than some variation as normal over my lifetime, go figure, I don,t think we can complain much over the last 70 years or so but if as the MO say we are in for global cooling whatchamacallit it will not be good.
On 26 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
@Russ - we had acrylic thermal screens fitted when we bought this house and they have helped as did the insulation top up a couple of years ago. Power prices here are a real bone of contention that politicians don't want to acknowledge. They just tell you to shop around between the different companies but there is no major difference between then and we have the best deal that we can get. A couple of degrees milder today but the hot water froze again this morning, fortunately it thawed by 8 am. @ Paddy - yes 12 deg is a most acceptable temp for June in NZ but not for you in June! @Steve Devine - Yes its been freezing here in the South Island this week!
On 26 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Mostly cloudy the last couple of days with the odd fleeting sunny spell, warm and humid with a light shower here and there, max 20 deg. yesterday some nice big clouds around too, max 18 deg. today 25th more cloudy,15 now at midnight light rain and a southerly breeze high humidity the kind of weather that would be nice to see a lil thunderstorm kick off :)
On 25 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Quite prepared for another grey day this morning, and so it turned out to be, BUT with a big change: the temp actually rose from 12˚C at 7.30 (which was the max yesterday) to a staggering (for us) 22˚ and the sun was actually visible as a white disc at times during the morning, but no blue sky. Got cooler in the afternoon under darker clouds which eventually brought some light rain. The midges were in killer mood this morning when there was no breeze but skedaddled as a S’ly breeze got up by 11am. 12˚ again by 10pm, forecast is still grey for tomorrow but warmer.
On 25 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// I should have posted this three weeks ago but in the Telegraph a small article on a wading bird in the UK had caught the attention of naturalists as it had left for its winter breeding grounds early
On 25 Jun 2015, stephen parker wrote:
Ice age now is the daily express of the cooling sites. It dosnt make it wrong or right, just be aware.
On 25 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Weather presenter on BBC Scotland this evening admitted to there having been more rain than they had forecast... so that'll be the recent CME's influence I presume. I notice the sunspot number fall ing sharply again along with the flux level
On 25 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: Well the' solar-magnetists' and the AGWists cannot be correct at the same time and the next 10-20 years will reveal the truth. There are only 3 options: it will get clearly and undeniably warmer; it will get clearly and undeniably colder ; it will stay much the same as now. If the last, no doubt there will be puerile arguments over which effect is cancelling the other out. I suspect though that some warmists would say that all three were caused by CO2.
On 25 Jun 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
In response to Michael Hurley, while I'm merely an amateur forecaster and avid follower of Piers' work, all I can say in response to that question is that the LIA/MIA is already having a more significant effect in the southern hemisphere as the volume of ice at Antarctica soars above usual levels. I have read on Ice Age Now that the northern hemisphere will eventually follow suit as we enter the next phase. On a completely separate note, I'm sure the warmists will love the prospects of a heatwave next week. Me personally, I hate such conditions as I suffer high blood pressure anyway and don't have air conditioning at home. Hence my love of winter and cool / cold air. Should move to Antarctica I suppose! :-)
On 25 Jun 2015, Michael Hurley wrote:
In such a Little Ice Age scenario,as described on Ice Age Now, how would the southerm hemisphere be affected?
On 25 Jun 2015, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33265865 - Freezing New Zealanders treated to Aurora Australis. Apparently South Islanders have experienced temperatures widely going sub-zero too.
On 25 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine... You can fit your own 'Perspex' double glazing to your existing windows creating triple glazing, which is extremely effective at cutting heat loss. Better door seals too can cut heat loss and costs. But lower heating costs seem irrelevant when New Zealand has so many individual power stations. Always a good move, because many of them can fail, or be taken off-line due to fuel delivery problems, but you'll still have dozens and dozens still operational, of all types including geothermal, hydro, oil/gas/coal, bio-fuel etc........ Ron... It's all down to the next 10 years then. Does the Met Offices new found toy theory occur in 10 or 40 years? That all depends on the state of the planets orbital characteristics plus solar dynamics. If you can handle Robert Felix's rather shotgun writing style, then I can recommend his two books: 'Not By Fire but By Ice' and 'Magnetic Reversals and Evolutionary Leaps'. I find I now disagree with Einstein. It seems God may play dice after all...
On 25 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
@Gerry Surrey? Kent Border - Its quite incredible the way both your Met Office and our Met Service can still cling to the warming lie in the face of an obvious MIA. One major concern is that in the face of their denial houses in NZ will not be warm enough. Although it became compulsory to double glaze all new South Island houses a few years ago, this doesn't help existing dwellings. Another factor is that it doesn't matter how well insulated a home is if you can't afford to heat it properly it will be cold. We've been toughing it out this week trying not to put the heat pump on during the day but its hard going when your house is only 10 degrees. This is not what we envisaged for our retirement years.
On 25 Jun 2015, stephen parker wrote:
The Met Office are just engaging in a bit of behind covering. i was born in 1959 and dont remember the winter of '63, i would love to see one.
On 24 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
You have to have a resilient sense of humour in order to take the present weather without flinching: 10˚C at 7.30, overcast & drizzly off & on all day, grey and cold, max temp 12˚ - not bad for June in NZ, I suppose - 9˚ by 10pm. Still at first, then S’ly breeze, at least no midges today.
On 24 Jun 2015, BLACK PEARL wrote:
Its a MAD MAD MAD World
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33253772
On 24 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Nothing changes like the weather..... never truer than when forecast by ukmo. The 5 day forecast at the start of the week said very little rain any fronts approaching from the Atlantic would be neutered by running into an area of high pressure. Now they are forecasting for the west of Scotland at least is rain tonight from 1700 right through to Friday lunchtime
On 24 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Business as usual in NZ then? Cold is natural but heat is climate change! Re- MetO clutching at straws with their claim that we won't notice the cold because there will so much global warming although given the near 20 year flatline the only warming is in their imaginary data.
On 24 Jun 2015, theguvnor wrote:
A very interesting article here on WUWT on the Saharan silver ant which can withstand incredible temperatures with the aid of triangle shaped hairs which reflect two thirds of sun and curiously the same form as your common cumulus cloud...
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/22/silver-ants/
On 24 Jun 2015, Geoff-Northants wrote:
My only worry with the apparent sudden conversion of the Met Office is that their long term forecast track record ain't that good...
And since the Vatican has now unleashed its anti rationalist hounds in the Warmist Interest fact and argument now seem to be being abandoned wholesale in favour of blind dogma (FRS's in the vanguard apparently- at least for the next 50 years). Hard pounding (Ladies and) Gentlemen as the Good Old Duke was wont to observe!
On 24 Jun 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa: "Wrap up, a Mini Ice Age may be heading our way! Met Office issues warning that temperatures could plummet as Sun enters cooler phase" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3136780/You-need-wrap-UK-set-plunge-mini-ice-age-Met-Office-warns-one-five-chance-temperatures-drop-leaves-seen-17th-century.html
On 24 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Another freezing night here http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69654048/Freezing-night-as-temperatures-drop-again. Note the comment from Stephen Glassey meteorologist "The cold snaps were "part of natural climate variations" and could not be pinned on climate change, which had a long-term trend of pushing temperatures up". But don't they say that extreme weather events are a hallmark of climate change? Anyway, what long-term trend of pushing temperatures up? What planet is he talking about - certainly not this one!
On 23 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Looked like we had a light shower v. early this morn. Clouds gave way to a sunny start warmer day and remained a mix of the two all day, took a small time out to soak up some rays after which cloud took over for a while, some sunnier periods at times later in the day. Max 21 deg. 13 now at 22.15 pm
On 23 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
9˚C at 7.30, very light drizzle off and on until 10, still a N’ly breeze though much weaker. We headed off to Broughty Ferry near Dundee where by lunchtime the sun had come out and it actually felt pleasant on the sea front. However, driving home we met increased cloud cover and returned to a max temp of 14˚ at home, N’ly breeze was almost gone, so the midges were out in full force, 10˚ at 10pm. ==LORRAINE NZ: ah well, your freezing pipe saga is some consolation to us, at least we’re not quite in that category here, it being summer, haha! But I’ll make an admission: we wimped out last night and put the central heating on. Not unprecedented though, I remember doing that in July once in the late 90s. RON; polytunnel, you bet. Without it life would be neeps and tatties the whole year round, whereas now we’ve got sweet strawberries and lettuce galore, the French beans are beginning to climb their poles.
On 23 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// oops on Facebook The Sun newspaper - scientist warn of mini ice age for next 70 years with temperatures in Winter plunging to -20 hope that scientist is Piers in their report
On 23 Jun 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
The stiflingly hot disaster that is eco-homes http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9559102/my-eco-home-nightmare/
On 23 Jun 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
GOOD COMMS ALL. Just got a phone call 23rd 2pm BST from Rev Philip Foster visiting Venice confirnming Thunder and hail in this period as marked on Euro Forecast map. AND YES TODAY you can start/ renew / extend a sub for 1/3 Normal chnage (6m/12m) Europe, USA, Br+Ir so hurry and pass it on.
On 23 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
And so the non-summer goes on. I am still wearing my Spring coat as it really hasn't got warm enough to ditch it yet on the daily commute. As the record warmth continues in Fairyland, the Vatican City and the pages of The Lancet where there should be thousands of sheep happily grazing in Norway there is 4 or 5 feet of snow! Grass growth is slow in Iceland and no doubt in Norway where there isn't snow and in Scotland given the glowing summer there. So here we see the effect of cold with animals needing fodder which is a cost to the farmers and so economic damage. A post on iceagenow shows tourist attractions in Norway suffering as well as July hoves into view.
On 23 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: I celebrated the Solstice with toast in beer to the first Pin Oak acorn sprouting. The latest germination date in my experience of growing this species. Some Acer spicatum germinated two days before, also my latest date for maple germination. Climate fools cannot fool the trees that know the truth. I see that max temps on the Aberdeenshire coast are going to be( according to the MObeeb) 10-13 C for the next few days. You'll be glad of the polytunnel.!
On 23 Jun 2015, east side wrote:
Very large auroral event just taking place with over KP8 levels, caused by the arrival of 3 consecutive CME with strong sun-earth magnetic connections.
This is the LARGEST event of the entire current solar cycle with aurora strongly visible to as far south as Moscow, southern England and southern USA.
On 23 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: On talking to one of the staff at the Cairngorm centre, I was informed that the ranger service, as well as collecting data from the weather station, also take photos of the various main snowbeds and there is already a time- series collection. GFS is predicting some pretty hot weather come early July, but the rest of June looks pretty cool with not much rain, so the main snowbeds should make it into July.
On 23 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
A cold night across NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69617329/New-Zealand-drops-to-20C-below-freezing Just to cap it off the outlet pipe for our hot water froze meaning no hot water till after 9 am!
On 22 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Not a bad old day here a mix of cloud and sun, the chilly N breeze dropped off and this afternoon was warm with some good sunshine, max 17/18 deg. 12 now and partly cloudy at 23.45 pm
On 22 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: unless there's a sustained outbreak of tropical maritime air with heavy warm rain, then I can see these snowbeds lasting into July. The last time I saw snowbeds like this so late in the season was in 1993. Worth looking at the Ice Age Now site to see what is going on in Norway. A friend is newly back from an NTS cruise to Iceland and Faroe, where farmers were still feeding silage to sheep as there has been unusually cold weather and no real growth of grass.
On 22 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30, fine rain, cold N’ly wind, totally dreich: welcome to the first day of summer! The rain stopped aroun 8.30 but the wind kept going all day, overcast with only the occasional bit of brightness, max temp 13˚ for a very brief period, mostly 11˚ and now at 10.15pm down to 9˚. Prospect for the rest of the week is not hot, oh where is global warming when you need it?!
On 22 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paul.... I have refrained from stating that phrase (year without a summer), because as soon as I say it, the temperature will shoot up by at least 10C hehehe! .... Ron... I don't know if that is good or bad news. If this cold, damp weather keeps going for another few weeks, you could be seeing large snow banks on the higher levels well into July, something I can't remember seeing. The last week in June has been the turning point for the snow fields I've seen in the past, even in years of heavy snow. But this could be a very interesting year........... Been throwing it down with rain almost all day here. Gales later in the day. Met Office this morning said that the rain would move down the north and east of the UK 'weakening' as it passes through. I don't remember seeing gales mentioned either. On raintoday.com around 11am shower clouds were turning red and building as they were heading down the country, contrary to the Met Flopcast. Maybe someone should send them a raintoday link..!
On 22 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Just back in from my latest trip to the Cairngorm ski-centre. Cold and dreich with scudding clouds reducing visibility. Aske the attendant at the funicular station if there had been snow today. Said that there had been sleet and temperatures around freezing at the upper station and a chill factor making it feel like minus 9. Definitely had been some further snow melt, but still unusually large beds on Braeriach and noted again on the way home the large areas on Ben Alder and Coire Domhain in west Drumochter where there were still large patches even well below Munro level.
On 22 Jun 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
Just had an aurorawatch red alert, so assume we are into another R4-R5. This is rapidly turning into the year without a summer. Still the evenings are chilly and the days just about warm.
On 22 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
useful short vid from gav vids not least because it shows the difference between using a 1961-1990 average or a 1981 2010 average. Meto uses the 1961-90 and it clear from this vid why. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2U7Zaj1PzA [ i see a commentator in the independent is suggesting people join the labour party for £3 to vote j corbyn as leader , 20,000 would do it lol]
On 21 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Mix of sunshine light showers at times heavy cloud wind and cooler today max 15 deg. down to 8 now at 11 pm.. need to build a fire pit in the garden to keep us warm for the summer evenings.
On 21 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, cloudy morning but with occasional sun breakthrough, which put the temperature up to 18˚ by midday inspite of the cool NW’ly breeze. However, the Low that passed eastwards over Scotland brought quite a bit of rain this afternoon and evening, occasionally very heavy bursts, not unwelcome, I have to say, as the ground is very dry & the Dee as low as I haven’t seen it in a while. The rain soon brought the temp down to 14˚ and the evening was cool regardless of a couple of hours of late sunshine, showers continued there after and were slow moving, presumable because the Low was right on top of us. 11˚ again by 9.30pm. == C View, maybe ‘up your Northwest Passage!’ will become a new expletive after 2017 :-)
On 21 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Ron - strange. The Glencoe full link is - http://hosted-p0.vresp.com/578510/46bca0b0d6/ARCHIVE === the winterhighland.info site has some great pix /// thunderstorm and good downpour yesterday evening. Garden sorely needed it. Tomorrow looks wet too.
On 21 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
CRAIG.M: I must admit Craig that I seldom get any of your links to work, but your comments are always very pertinent and on the ball. I checked the Glencoe webcam with a photo at 1640 hrs ( it's now 1652 Sunday as I write) and it's amazing how much snow is left. Might be a bit far west though for any possible new snow tomorrow.
On 21 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Russ - echo what you say. More sun some days, less others. Yesterday was out at an 'on the farm' auction. Mainly overcast, a spit of rain around midday, then a series of heavier showers during the afternoon giving a couple of downpours in the evening. Sunny spells today with a breeze. C View - if they set off on their Arctic sail having first checked the models for no ice, I hope they are told any rescue costs have to be repaid in full for when they get stuck in the ice. Midsummer skiing - bet that won't make the main BBC news. The replies on Booker's latest column about the madness of the western politicians and the pope show there are still plenty of idiots buying the consensus crap and who can't disbelieve the scientists 'coz they are like scientists, like.'
On 21 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
"The Midsummer ski at Glencoe Mountain resort is planned for Sunday 21st June and there is even more snow this year than last year. Main Basin, Spring Run and Flypaper are pretty much all still complete and Thrombosis, Canyon and Wall still have decent amounts of snow for getting back down at the end of the day. " ===
http://ow.ly/OAwyq === Video from yesterday === https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=15&v=8YgBHUecL2U
On 21 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
How's this for a laugh? An article in a sailing magazine about a new Arctic race describes confidently that.." Due to rapid climate change and melting sea ice in the Arctic it is now possible to sail over the top of North America in a season for the first time. A new extreme sailing event has ben launched with the goal of racing through the Northwest Passage" The race is scheduled for some time in 2017 when temperatures should be lower than now so the chances of success for this event should be pretty limited. They obviuosly think this event will highlight AGW when in fact it will probably demonstrate the exact oposite. So put it in your diaries now and look out for the event becoming icebound in 2017.
On 21 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbysheeps wrote:
I've not been adding my tuppence'hapenny worth of annecdotal data to the WA mix of late, because, well, mainly because it's been just a general, alternating mixture of warm & humid followed by cold & humid, with flashes of Sun and hints of rain. Nothing to write home about, in other words. All the thunderstorms missed us yesterday although the wife said that she definitely heard thunder while mowing the lawn. You can see her physically speed up when it thunders--electric mower you see. .....
On 21 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More on the flooding in Wanganui and South Taranaki http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/latest-updates-whanganui-river-receding-but-bridges-closed-safety-checks-6342340. MeanShile the very cold southerly has arrived in the south Island http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/69568872/snow-severe-weather-warning-for-south-island
On 21 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Relates to 20.06.15: 11˚C at 7.30, cloudy pretty much all day with a SW’ly breeze but feeling much milder and with a max temp of 20˚ was a welcome change from recent cold days. Home late from a gig and experiencing the declining old and rising new day with the vestige of day light that never goes out in the N at our latitude at this time of year, something I haven’t often seen since my misspent yoof! 11˚ again at midnight.
On 21 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A short shower this eve. 12 deg. just before midnight light wsw wind now... Paddy my partner is well fond of his hat too he rarely takes it off unless it's sunny with no breeze and above 18 deg we've not been lighting the fire this month but the house is not summer warm unless it's been a humid evening, can't believe it's midsummer all ready..
On 20 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Yesterday and today especially improved warmer again temps 18 deg. yday 20 today around 10/11 late eve. a few deg milder this eve looks poss. ( a few light showers humid feel early eve. yesterday ) has stayed dry today although some huge clouds around more sun also..19 deg at 4.30pm with a W'ly wind around 27kph Nice for planting out sweetcorn that are a good foot tall with canes always get a good crop this way..
On 20 Jun 2015, danny wrote:
Firstly may i say a very big hello to Piers. Hello Piers, i have not
posted a post for god knows how long. I would just like to say
to any newcomers, that Piers Corbyn is the MAINMAN, when it comes to forecasting long range weather forecasting. Just think
TELEGRAMME SAM OR DAVID BOWIES MAINMAN PRODUCTIONS.. MIX THE TWO TOGETHER, AND YOU HAVE WEATHER WIZARD PIERS CORBYN,, WHAT A MAN....
On 20 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More heavy rain and flooding today in the lower North Island http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/latest-state-emergency-in-whanganui-riverside-residents-urged-evacuate-6342340. A cold southerly is due tomorrow to coincide with the next back to back R period.
On 19 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
A relentless 10˚C at 7.30, still with a NW’ly breeze, though less strong, cloudy all day with the occasional brightness and one or two tiny spots of blue sky, just so we don’t forget what it looks like. 10˚ again by 11.30pm and feeling milder as the wind has dropped. == Gold & bull finches abound at the moment, feeding on the seed of the forget-me-nots which we have growing everywhere. == MARIA: good observation re flip-flops, yesterday I was sorely tempted to put on my woolly hat & switch on the central heating, these may be subjective anecdotes but they are telling; another year where we sit by the fire almost every night.
On 19 Jun 2015, @Piers_Corbyn twitter address wrote:
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On 19 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
There has been much comment on the temperature of the N Atlantic being a few degrees lower than where it should be for this time of year. Is this within normal variation or a clear sign of cooling??
On 19 Jun 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
My June mean minimums since 2010: 2010:10.7, 2011:10.1, 2012:10.2, 2013:10.1, 2014:10.7, 2015 so far 8.8. Height 90m. Location: Central Bedfordshire
On 19 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Ron... ...find the article of interest? Certainly did sir! You generated more comments than a NWO video on YouTube... After having physically proven your theories beyond doubt ... now let's see if the mighty Nicola can make the changes needed to see your work fully recognised.
On 19 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MObeeb going for northerly winds on Monday in Scotland with only 12C at sea level on the NE coast. This is a possible set up for snow on the higher Cairngorm tops. I hope to take a trip up and see for myself.
On 19 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
It's official - NOAA claim the warmest May ever. Using their latest set of fiddled figures that made the flatlining temperature disappear has done the trick. Are they now in danger of overdoing the 'correcting'? In line with the Scottish snow cover reported here, Iceagenow has the June snow cover in Norway at 5 times would be the normal amount. Strange kind of heat that doesn't melt snow. But then the warming in the Antarctic has caused more ice if they are to be believed.
On 19 Jun 2015, Harris Keillar - Edinburgh 150msubscriber wrote:
http://www.andywightman.com/?p=3291
FANTASTIC article. Thanks for sharing. Andy's book - the Poor had no Lawyers is a classic damning indictment of why we have the land ownership structure we have in Scotland. Best wishes for your land regeneration work.
On 19 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Also in the Herald there's a piece on Scotland having the coldest June for 43 years. From the articles attached in the Ice Age Now site Norway has had records amount of snow ( 5 times as much as normal) equalling or surpassing the record June snow of 2000( yes that's twice this century) Tromso in northern Norway has had its coldest June for 33 years
On 19 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
The National Trust is becoming a joke under Ghosh. I used one of their pre-paid envelopes for membership applications to send them a cutting about their drivel about there being too much to see in the rooms of stately homes and that they should just have one item per room! Typical metropolitan elite socialist view. I opened the pdf on the Mar Lodge Estate and on page 6 under climate is this classic - Climate change is now a recognised phenomenon but the effects of this are hard to predict due to uncertainty in modelling. A clear night and then a sunny morning with a cool breeze but on the journey in it has clouded over and is overcast in London. Interesting to note that CET is down so far this year. Who was it that said 2015 would be the year the cooling started to come through? Timing couldn't be better for COP Paris. Speculation but I wonder it there is more to come from the Climategate email store?
On 19 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
ROB: thanks for that. I have an article in today's Herald( Scotland) which will probably annoy both the NGO conservation establishment and the neo-fuedalists in Scotland. There's a battle for power going on underneath all the land use debate. The hypocrisy on both sides is staggering. PADDY: yes there is a massive expansion of Alnus viridis going on in the Alpine region's upper tree zone and it has got nothing to do with climate change and a great deal to do with grazing practice. It did not survive or come back to the UK during or after glaciation, nor to Fennoscandia, but it occurs naturally in Greenland. It's a real tough cookie
On 19 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More on the snow in the South Island http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/snow-dump-sends-southern-farmers-scrambling-video-6342227 Plus heavy rain and flooding on the West Coast http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/hokitika-rest-home-residents-evacuated-after-heavy-deluge-video-6342229.
On 19 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cloudy cooler breezy start then cleared around lunch and gradually brighter as the day went on, max temp 17 deg. sun felt quite warm and intense for an hour or 2 late aft. but temp dropped off quite quickly this eve. Nice sunset though, mostly clear light nw breeze and around 10 deg. at 11.45 pm 18th (My feet are cold from sitting outside, socks back on in June, I remember a decade ago in my 20's and when younger the days I'd wear mostly flip flops if not be bare footed around the garden from April - sept not these days lol!-) only a couple of warm more so humid evenings so far this summer..
On 18 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
10˚C at 7.30 and feeling blooming cold in the NW wind that has blown all day in various degrees of strength. As my wife said, the only thing that tells us it’s summer is the absence of Christmas decorations! Cloudy all day, max temp 15˚, 11˚ by 10pm. RON: thanks for the offer of seed, I would fancy trying that, I’ll badger Piers for your email address & get in touch. I wasn’t aware of this variety but I must have seen it on our recent holiday in the Swiss Alps without realising what it was. Interesting article & discussion, I will read more of it over the weekend.
On 18 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
ROB HORLER: thanks Rob. I have an article in tomorrow's edition of the Herald ( Glasgow ) which will annoy both the stalkers and the NTS! It's worth going into Andy Wightman's Land Matters website and checking the archives for articles by Duncan Halley and his colleagues.
On 18 Jun 2015, Rob Horler wrote:
Interesting posts from Ron and all on Scotland and the snowfields. It is of particular interest to me as a former Munroist and now Corbett bagger. Ron, I was wondering if you were aware of the Marr Lodge policy on woodland regeneration. It has upset some of the experienced stalkers and I have included a link to a PDF for your perusal. The National Trust is now in the hands of a warmist and the usual blurb can be found on most of their press.
http://www.nts.org.uk/Downloads/Properties/wefp_1_web.pdf
Rob
On 18 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
gav vids did a video recently about how this june CET is the coldest since 1990 so far and that is something given Meto love to use the 1961-1990 average [1960s lots of cold winters] to pretend it so much warmer now.
On 18 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RICHARD: yes, in his own way, Jeremy Corbyn 'did a Nicola', whilst the rest were wrong-footed in trying to be more Toryclone than their near rivals.
On 18 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
GERRY: much appreciated humour regarding warmist attitudes to species selection and actually it touches a button of truth. Some of the people criticising my choice of species at Loch Garry are profoundly warmist in conviction, yet they slag off my selection of relatively thermophilious species like Oak and Gean ( which actually grow quite well in the shelter of other trees in a south-facing aspect). However the overall experience remains that it is trees from the oceanic sub-arctic montane areas of Scandinavia, the Pacific Northwest of America/Canada, the Canadian Maritimes and sub-Alpine Europe that survive the rigours of the Grampian climate the best. Paddy, Russ , Craig and CView might find this one of interest. http://www.andywightman.com/?p=3291
On 18 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Ron- when selecting trees did you get any 'advice' from those in the thrall of the great myth to plant species that were resistant to hot weather? Palms for the Highlands! Iceagenow has comment that central Norway is experiencing the coldest June since 1923. Yet some are claiming the first 5 months have been even warmer than last year! Overnight rain with some puddles still there in the morning. It was sunny when I left home yesterday morning but was cloudy in town. Sun came through eventually but then clouded over by evening. Sunny again today with some cloud. Still no great warmth in the evenings and certainly fresh when cycling to the station in the morning. Caught Louise on the Mobeeb weather for next week. All relating to a storm in the US that might bring a low across us.....or it might not of course. Her sign off was to keep watching as the 'forecast' might change. LOL Really?
On 18 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Russ/Ron - "are there any plans afoot to replant trees across Scotland?" - They've too busy planting prayer wheels which they think is much better for the environment ; ) === http://ow.ly/OtLOU
On 18 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
leadership debate- they thought they got a lefty clown and what they got was articulate reasoned argument instead. The press are worried after the audience clapped more for J Corbyn . lol. Its the reason they don't let piers talk in any climate debate.
On 18 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: I have tried both Alaskan coastal origin Alnus sinuate and a German alpine one of the European sub-species of the Green Alder. Both are successful and very tough. There is a difference in form and vigour with the Alaskan origin being more vigorous and upright, whilst the Alpine origin is more of a bush form. There is even a difference in leaf shape and colour, with the Alaskan one being very verdant and more shiny. It reminds me of the various origins of Pinus mugo. The Alaskan ones are now old enough to produce viable seed and I'll collect some for you this autumn. I am quite happy for Piers to pass on my email address to you
On 18 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: yes a massive amount of snow on the north/east facing slopes of Ben Alder. Braeriach still has plenty too and the NE facing side of Glen Einich and the Gaick hills. Less on the west facing Drumocther hills, but plenty on the east facing ones despite their moderate altitude. Yes, there is a massive land tenure/land use. reforestation debate going on in Scotland, but it doesn't often get MSM attention, but more so now after the Referendum and the General Election. I got into this whole climate thing via the tree planting project at Loch Garry I started 40 years ago, subsequently being co-founder of the Loch Garry Tree Group and also Scottish Native Woods of which I was the first chairman. Loch Garry lies at 400m+ not far from the Drumochter Pass, so in selecting trees for difficult upland conditions I had to take into account a great deal of geo-botanical and bioclimatic parameters.
On 18 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Ron.... are there any plans afoot to replant trees across Scotland? I recall reading many articles over the years, of plans to do this but I'm not sure the funding has been forthcoming.
On 18 Jun 2015, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
I have the july interim forecast and all I am saying is that I am going to move some tomatoes and protect whatever I can on the allotment. Its all a bit stomach churning now. Tall beans, squashes, courgettes are way behind, even in my area. Cabbages, potatoes and berries are thriving, like they always did in scotland.
On 18 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Looks like the R3 has arrived a day early in NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69490658/big-storm-hits-the-south-island Currently cludy with a northerly here but the forecast is for strong north westerly gales and rain for the upper South Island from this evening.
On 17 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Some light rain overnight or early morn. stayed cloudy and very light showers on a few occasions as the morning progressed, followed by light breeze dry cloudy with a few sunny spells this aft. not as humid or warm as yesterday but ideal for planting out, max temp 17 deg 10 deg now at 10 ish pm wnw light breeze and mostly cloudy again.
On 17 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
3˚C at 7.30, warm morning with a nice SW’ly breeze and the temperature rose to 21˚ again by lunchtime. However, by then the wind also changed into a more NW’ly quarter and more and thicker clouds started moving in from the W, it got noticeably cooler and breezier, especially when the sun was behind the clouds. 11˚ by 10pm. RON: thanks for the info, I will try 7 plant some A viridis this winter and see how that does, we have ‘shallow peat over mineral soil’ in places on our farm.
On 17 Jun 2015, Andrew B wrote:
Very sorry to hear that Alan Caruba has passed away 77years old
On 17 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// just watched channel 4 Kevin McCloud programme on family building in remote areas and a family building near a volcano in the high Andes. I am thinking that Vokcano is bound to erupt with all the recent solar flares. Sure enough at the end of the viewing it erupts 8 weeks after filming.
On 17 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Ron...... Ben Alder has its wide plateaux-like summit pointing skyward, and at this time of year the sun is almost overhead, but the snow does remain on its rather majestic northern cliffs? Any reports about Coire an t-Sneachda. Some incredible stories of immense snow depth from that area. Bodies of walkers being found in May, after the 75 foot deep snow in the gullies has melted. What a way to go!!........ Steven Parker.... interesting article. I guess many amatuer astronomers who know arthritic people may have made the link already, I did...If it looks like a dog - walks like a dog - barks like a dog - chances are it's a dog!
On 17 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
.....>> http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/science/international-space-station-test-laser-5721077 <<.... I thought satellites had to have a regular boost to keep them in orbit, 'otherwise they would fall to Earth as a man-made meteorite'?? Isn't that what happens to all space junk, considering it is affected by atmospheric drag, just like all Earth satellites? Dare I say, that this looks more like part of the Star-Wars programme.... Isn't everything sent up at the same speed, escape velocity? Isn't everything going round the planet in the same direction, like vehicles on a roundabout? Didn't someone at the Space Agency think that a Space Station would be better suited to a slightly different orbital altitude to everything else, just to keep it out of harms way? Or is this just another excuse to position powerful space weapons right where they will be most useful....hmmm? I'd like to see ISIS follow this NASA encore! ISIS.....ISS? That's a very powerful laser isn't it!
On 17 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
GERRY: some telling posts there. Just seeing the repeated changes to the MObeeb 'wee ahead' section and how it differs from the daily is cause for derision alone. Latest is that we'll be on the cool side if the Jetstream and the Netherlands can expect some more cool NW winds for the next few days. RUSS: was back up at the Cairngorms on Monday. Quite a bit of melt since two weeks ago, but still large snowbeds in the Drumochter hills( which scarcely reach Munro height) with especially large patches in Coire Domhain, and a 'Mharconaich. The hills just to the west of Dalwhinnie still had big patches and there is an exceptional amount still on Ben Alder. PADDY: Alnus viridis is even tougher than A incana and is definetly one for difficult upland sites and a harsh climate. Tolerates shallow peat over mineral soil. Doesn't get so big, tolerates snow damage, but is not shade tolerant--thus a good nurse for less hardy species.
On 17 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Interesting. http://iceagenow.info/2015/06/record-cold-in-the-netherlands-2/ How are they going make 2015 the warmest 'evah' if things like this are happening? You have to laugh when you read things like this: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/15/solar-fossil-fueled-fantasies/ A solar power generator using gas. The trouble is the idiots in charge think that this is the way forward.
On 17 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
C: when they let slip the odd admission that the sun plays a greater role than the IPCC admit and is included in their computer games, you wonder just how much they really know. Checking my forecast chart I would have to say a 'well done' as becoming dry and mostly fine for 13-18 covers it nicely with the dividing line further to the west. Remember how far in advance this is done compared to the ever changing MetO. I followed my local forecast from Friday and the temps for Monday and Tuesday changed everyday. So much for 5 days out accuracy.
On 17 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Interesting comment on spaceweather.com the other day about cosmic rays. They were saying that due to low solar activity the amount of ionizing radiation in the statosphere had gone up due to a reduction in the number of cme's. cme's they said help to deflect cosmic rays away from earth. Also they said they believed cosmic rays played a part in climate change so a hint there that there are non anthropogenic factors at play in climate change. Who would have thought it eh??
On 17 Jun 2015, Steve,Dorset,UK Sub... wrote:
Richard subs East Midlands excellent post gave me a chuckle.
On 17 Jun 2015, stephen parker wrote:
Interesting
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3126394/Does-sun-cause-ARTHRITIS-11-year-solar-cycle-linked-new-cases-coincidence-study-claims.html
On 16 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Mostly cloudy but warm today, it would have been hot if the cloud had budged but a lovely humid feel and nice to work in without direct sun, sw'ly breeze and the first night we have had the windows wide open instead of ajar since last summer, max 21 deg still 17 now at 22.49 pm Peas starting to flower at last as are the potato plants, little cucumbers on the way and tomato's..
On 16 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
9˚C overnight, 14˚ by 7.30, reasonably sunny morning, cloudier afternoon, max temp 21˚ but feeling a bit cool again with only 14˚ at 9pm. Wind SW’ly all day, some rain showers in the afternoon. Felt a bit more like June. RON: A incana certainly doing pretty consistently better with us than glutinosa, haven’t tried viridis yet.
On 16 Jun 2015, DMW (winter subscriber Orkney) wrote:
Temps for the Northern Isles have barely got above 12degC since last October. May 2015 was the wettest ever recorded for Orkney with squally snow showers (albeit for an hour early morning) lay on the roads above 30m on 4th May. Since then a typical daily temperature range of between 7 and 10 degrees has been observed but colder when the wind chill has been factored in. Shrubs started to leaf end of April but the mature trees upper leaves did not emerge until after 24th May. Bluebells blossomed in very late Maya as did the tulips and are still just out. Changeable wet cold windy weather has so far been very dominant for the Northern Isles. Anyone know if this is set to change please?
On 16 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
As Napoleon said 'fame is fleeting, but obscurity is permanent' Fill your boots Piers.
On 16 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
fame! http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article10321862.ece/alternates/w1024/daily-cartoon20150616.jpg expect lots more cartoons during the election of labour leader. Piers if they not bugging your phone/email before they will be now.
On 16 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: Apart for a few days last week with 20C max temps, there has been no great heat down here and there has been a ground frost most nights when the sky was clear, but not enough to kill anything. Last night was cloudy with light rain.
At one of my higher altitude test plots ( 600m) interesting to see the earlier flush and growth initiation of Alnus viridis and Alnus incana compared to Alnus glutinosa . All three less susceptible to grazing attack than willows and birch.
On 16 Jun 2015, Shaun - Wales wrote:
Any body else seen the video of the British MP expose Climate Change in a Houses of Parliamentary debate, was pretty good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytzTMqs8XKA
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A red faced Labour Party MP was embarrassed to hear that his own fatuous assertions were actually contradicted by the UNIPCC itself, in documents read out by Mr. Davies.
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On 16 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
It's not just snow patch Scotland experiencing the cool, wet 'summer'. If anything it looks very much like the Viking settlement areas have all been colder than usual for the past 6 weeks or more. Quite a long post but I go through all of cool Scandinavia ===
https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/blowing-cold-and-wet-in-scandinavia/ === of course we only ever hear about the heatwaves in Alaska. // The cold North Atlantic showing in fisheries, 'Ocean off Iceland Unusually Cold, No Mackerel'
=== http://ow.ly/OmD20 === UK tornado hotspot/alley is between Reading & London (others spots also). Map & story === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/new-map-of-uk-tornado-hotspots/ === Cold record totally busted in Easter Island === http://ow.ly/OmwiN
On 15 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Paul, Beds: you mean to say that last year wasn't the hottest evah? You need to go back and 'adjust' those figures and join the consensus. Whatever heat there is during the day is shortlived. Despite blue skies it isn't really that warm. I wonder what problems this is causing the make believe temperature unit as they yearn for a year to break 2014 for COP Paris? Surely just some more adjustments needed or will the population really start to question the disconnect between the 'records' and reality.
On 15 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Another nice dry day, some sunny periods and warm enough for shorts, max 19 deg but more cloud today than yesterday, wind has switched from light NE last night to light SSW breeze tonight a little milder 13 deg. at 10.45 pm and a few spots of rain now too.
On 15 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
5˚C overnight and yes, ICE on the car roof at 5am! I had my suspicions last night and they were confirmed, not bad for a 15th of June, eh? That’s Gorebull Warming for you - it get’s colder! 8˚ at 7.30, sunny but still with a cold N’ly breeze. Sunny morning with some amazing cirrus displays, 17˚ around midday but then clouding over, getting cooler with some light rain, by which time wind was SW’ly, down to 10˚ by 10pm. RON, thanks for info on oaks. What temps in your neck of the woods?
On 15 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS ( and others). Just a handy reminder on the 15th June, just a week away from the Solstice
http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/glencoe/mainbasin.jpeg.
So what is happening in the sun-starved north facing corries then?
On 15 Jun 2015, Harris Keillar - annual subscriber wrote:
Most buds leafed up on my ash tree though a number are only now beginning to open. We're at 150 m in Edinburgh and it's in a sheltered location. The Norwegian weather site - yr.no, has some very interesting webcams and articles, if you like stories with lots of snow. One major route has been closed by snow for 2000 hours this season [they're quite good at snow clearing I think!!]
On 15 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: yes, also noted some Aspen clones here almost bare yet, but others out, but not fully flushed yet. This is in stark contrast to Alaskan coastal origins of Populus trichocarpa var Hastata which, as last year's cuttings, have already doubled their height this season. Red Oak does OK here in our more continental climate, but no good above 1000ft. Pin Oak does better and on wetter soils, but these ones are destined for a more southern site. Nice to have them for their autumn colour but both species definitely not a general purpose tree in our climate. It' s very clear that it's coastal montane NW American and Scandinavian spercies./ provenances that are the best options for us. That chilly wind still haunts down here too.
On 15 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More giant waves on the Wellington coastline today http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/massive-four-metre-waves-pummel-wellington-video-6338424 Note the deluded mayor, Celia Wade-Brown's comments that its all to do with climate change and will get worse.
On 15 Jun 2015, Paul, Bedfordshire wrote:
And yet again the heating goes on for an hour in the morning in June. This is unprecedented. The whole of May and June we have had very chilly nights with perhaps a few hours warmth in the afternoon. Even on Friday when we were promised vast amounts of hot humid air there was a chilly breeze in the evening. My June temp averages since 2010. 2010:17.1, 2011:15.7, 2012:14.9, 2013:15.0, 2014:16.3, 2015 so far 14.3.
On 14 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Sunny start and remained so for most of the day, max 17/18 deg and felt warm, some cloud at times but finished with a lovely blue sky sunny evening, first bbq of the summer went down well, could feel a bit of a drop in temp this eve. though, 10 deg. at 11.30pm
On 14 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
8˚C at 7.30 and quite sunny with some clouds and still a cold N’ly breeze. But today the temperature actually went up instead of down, to 17˚ by midday, though only where one wasn’t exposed to the wind, a strange mixture of being too hot and too cold in turn. By late afternoon, the wind on the ground had changed into the SW, though the higher cumulus clouds were still going from N to S. 9˚ by 10pm and feeling decidedly chilly, we’ll see whether the lawn will be white when I get up tomorrow. RUSS: our swallow numbers on the farm are also down, we only have 2 breeding pairs, a few years ago we had at least 4. RON: just drove past some aspens which still have no leaves on them! Pin oak = Quercus palustris? We have planted Q rubra in our forest, they are very slow growing, a few mature species in Crathes Castle nearby.
On 14 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Paddy..... Swallow numbers are very low and Swifts too, considering their later arrival time.
On 14 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Huge waves on Wellington's coastline this afternoon http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/huge-waves-pound-wellington-coastline-6337567. This R5/ R2 period has been mixed around NZ. In our region (Tasman) its been quite mild and calm for the last two days - great for working in the garden - but other regions have had cold, windy weather. A colder day expected here tomorrow with another south westerly coming through.
On 14 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: the fresh snow I saw last Monday was just a dusting, but the snowbeds were large and deep.( more than normal) PADDY: a handful of Barn Swallows returned with warmer weather Wed-Friday, but numbers way down on normal. Ash trees flushed out too and nearly full leaf cover. Pin Oak only leafed out least week too and this year's acorns a total failure after an early opening in last November!!
On 13 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cool to start but warmed up by late morning, a mix of humid cloudy and hotter bright sunny spells all day max around 18 deg. 10 now at 22.23 pm cloudy with a light wnw breeze..yeah Russ they are amazing birds to watch and have had the pleasure of seeing it in our back garden on a few occasions, we also saw a woodpecker pecking away at a small bird box we made a while back last year, I really hope we get to see it again properly I was so chuffed as I had never seen one before only heard one when I was a kid, also keeping my eye out for a squirrel as the kids showed me some scratch marks up one of our trees and look different to the marks our cat makes...
On 13 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Well, what season is this? Today temps started out at 11˚C at 7.30, then descended to 9˚ and now at 10pm are at 7˚! Completely overcast all day with a bitter NE’ly blowing. Rain in the afternoon, getting heavy for a time early evening, complete contrast to yesterday’s sun. - Ron & Russ, thanks for your welcome back - any signs of swallows yet, Ron? Our trees here are mostly out, some still not fully, such as ash & oak. Thank goodness we have a tunnel to grow some of our veg in, otherwise it would be all porridge and old clothes for most of the year. Neighbour’s spring barley barely (spot the difference) 8 inches tall. Maria, we also have sparrowhawks here and admire them for their low-flying skills, they get mostly young starlings and sparrows, of which we have a plentiful supply.
On 13 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// Guernsey - sunshine but still a cool wind blowing this whole month so after thunderstorms can't say everyone has their shorts a T shirts on as a rule.
On 13 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Yes, welcome back Paddy..... Ron, was the snow you saw deep, as there is often snow left up there on Cairn Gorm, Braeriarch etc, around the last week of June? But I'm guessing that the depth is going to be the crucial driver in keeping ice up there year round. Heavy warm summer rain is good at clearing the snow but the ice should survive..... Well it's been raining on and off since early evening yesterday. Still raining now. The few very warm days including one scorcher, have caued the green stuff to go bonkers and play catch up. Through the last week in May, our farmers have usually got a first cut of hay and every tree in sight has open leaves. But this year, until the last few days, many trees were struggling to finish openiing their leaves and it's now the 13th of June! ..... Maria, re: Sparrow Hawks. This is the best time of year to see them, especially hunting, showing off their astounding flying skills, because they have youngsters to feed.
On 13 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Not a bad day for being outside yesterday, dry except for a few v. light warm showers, remained cloudy most of the day, max 19 deg. Warm/humid with a light breeze making it feel cooler at times.. Grass slow here too but beginning to get going, farmers just have their first cut done, veg is growing at a nice steady rate this year, a lot more strawberries on the plants and tomato plants in tunnel have flowers closer together this year, lettuce has been in abundance, birds are coming alive again loads of loverly bird noise, see a young magpie learning to fly from my runner bean canes & heard a pheasant yesterday seen buzzards flying recently too and a sparrow hawk, it seems summer is getting going finally..
On 13 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Left London at 6pm and no storms but when arriving home the train went through a burst of rain which was a heavy shower moving NW. Luckily it was not really raining on the cycle home from the station but the humidity was intense. Waterbutts indicated quite a shower. Nothing more during the evening but after 9pm a flash of lighting over Gatwick. Mist rising from the fields all around. Quite a pleasant evening for a stroll round the garden. Breitbart London has a piece on the failure of the MetO sizzling Spring forecast - the one they don't publish due to ridicule when it is wrong.
On 12 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Grey and foggy start, 8˚C overnight, 11˚ by 7.30, feeling cool in the SE’ly breeze. The sun came out around 10am and it turned into an agreeable pre-summer day with a max of 20˚ until, that is, the wind changed into the NE in the afternoon and it got decidedly chillier, especially when the clouds thickened up. 11˚ again by 9pm. Talking to our neighbour who keeps cattle on two of our fields, it’s been a very slow spring for them and they’re having to supplement grazing with a bit of silage in order to spin out the grass long enough for the silage to be cut in another field and the cattle moved on there. Light levels have been good but temps below normal, and then that wind…, always chilly as we all know. The one good thing about cold & dry is the weeding in our veg garden, much easier to keep the lid on rampant growth & one can leave the weeds lying to dry out & wither.
On 12 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Another pleasant evening but again a cool breeze from the east. Lovely morning in London so far and no sign of any storms as yet. However, Sat24 is showing a swirl of cloud coming up from France and a lightning record just over the Channel. Comment at work was that the MoBeeb were forecasting 17C for the weekend yesterday but today they have changed it to 23C. He was not impressed with such 'forecasting'.
On 12 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
The cold south westerly was felt in our region (Tasman) today. The rain eased enough about 10 am to walk on the beach but the cloud stayed over the mountains and hills. The wind and rain came back about 4.30 pm but have eased now. Look forward to seeing the snow on the mountains when (hopefully) the weather clears tomorrow.
On 12 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Welcome home Paddy. Quite a contrast this week. On Monday I revisited the Cairngorm ski centre and at lunchtime there was still fresh snow on the top 400 metres or so of the higher hills. By mid afternoon I was in my shirt sleeves and this was an intro to the first taste of summer. Amazing spurt of growth on my tree seedlings, this week,with the more southern species/.origins actually coming into full leaf. Both MObeeb and GFS predicting a cooler week ahead.
On 11 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Not a bad day but not as nice n hot as the last couple of days today, warm in the sun but plenty of cloud and a light breeze for a short while earlier to take the edge off the warmth, A few light spots of warm rain around lunch time, brightening up around 4 pm just long enough for the kids to have a quick water gun fight before early dinner and realise why I won't put the paddling pool up just yet as they were cold after, my son said now he will wait for a real heatwave lol! Clouded over again felt humid followed by a short light shower looks stormy lookin sky now tonight, Max 19 deg. 11 now 10.30pm
On 11 Jun 2015, Paddy, Aberdeen South, 160m elevation wrote:
Flying back from Switzerland yesterday has been an easy transition weather-wise, as we arrived to clear skies with altocumulus dotted about, though the SE breeze was chilly, as per everyone else’s experience this spring. The present R5 does not appear to affect us. According to our son, they’ve had grey, cloudy days alternating with sunny & warm ones, very little rain, while we were away. Today started with 15ºC at 7.30 in a fresh S’ly breeze which lasted all day and kept things cooler under a strong sun, though max temp was 23º, a couple of º more in sheltered places, 14º at 9pm & feeling a bit chilly. The recent has meant that the weeds haven’t grown out of control for the 8 days we were away, so it won’t take long to get on top of them. Planted veg looking good, grass growing stronger, we now have something resembling summer at long last.
On 11 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Overcast for a while yesterday but cleared to a lovely finish to the day. And yet, still a chill to the evenings. The solar flux has been up along with the sunspots but they are rotating round off the disk as we speak. Blue skies again today but a MetO severe weather warning has been issued for the south-east for tomorrow or even as early as this evening. Hmm, seem to have seen something similar for this time many weeks ago. Looking like another bullseye as the R5 happens. Well done.
On 11 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Guten Morgen Das fine bunch of weather loving folks. We have a coronal bulls-eye! That should liven things up a tad. Good old June; never fails to water the daisies. Its been nice and sunny over the past few days and very warm sat in the sun, but out of the breeze. That flippin breeze just refuses to warm up. ....... Climate Change. Now that the Nazi-esque lies have got momentum, we could do with a skeptic billionaire to fund an independant temperature gathering task-force to thwart the temperature fraudsters and their swindlers list, to gather their own data. I do fear that the Moriarty has gotten so much control of the system now, that its going to be almost impossible to prevent his/her dominance. There are so many false flag events over the past 100 years that its becoming increasingly difficult to recognise real accidents and occurences these days. Global Warming has been another unnsuccessful smokescreen. We still have enough eyes on the ball. He/she can still be caught out...!
On 11 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
A cold southerly for NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69286927/snow-on-high-roads-and-gales-on-the-way.
On 10 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
BBC/MO forecaster again commenting on how the Atlantic is '' 1 or 2 deg lower than where we expect it to be''
On 10 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Another gorgeous day blue sky n sunshine less cloud around too, max temp 19/20 deg. Milder this eve than last eve. as yesterday dropped quite cool after the warm day, 11 now at 22.28pm hope it lasts as lovin the summer feel right now after such a poor May, have read other counties got a share of the sunny weather today also..Lots of bees about, planted out some borage I've grown so they should like that soon :)
On 10 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Some more wild weather for NZ in the middle of the R5 http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69251451/strong-winds-easing-after-blasting-south-island-and-lower-north-island. Here in the Tasman District it was quite calm and mild. We have had a lot of northerlies during late autumn and this first week of winter which means mild weather though this may well change to colder southerlies as we progress further into winter.
On 09 Jun 2015, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
Ron
There's a copy of the expensive Watson book at Abebooks.co.uk for around £28.50 if you're interested. Only one available......
On 09 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Wow it's like a summers day here, cool 7 deg sunny blue sky start at 7 a.m but has been bootiful all day, actually got my white legs out in shorts lol! Max 19 deg. Low humidity at mo light E breeze some passing cloud, notice we have it warmer than other counties here, could handle more days like this..music on in the sun.. happy weather!-)
On 09 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Piers -saw your brother give a good interview on Newsnight. Funny how over time what were classed as extremist positions [like talking to terrorists] are now viewed as mainstream if not right of center. So while Newsnight might now talk to terrorists they still won't talk to you! lol. You are the threat that must be silenced and excluded! :)
On 09 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RHYS: I have been corresponding with Adam since the late 1960s and I consider it a great privilege to have known this 'guru' for such a long time. His book wit Ian Cameron, looks like a real 'stoater' and his other book with more specific concentration on the Cairngorm snow history looks just as intriguing, but at almost £80 it's not on my pension's bucket list! I see that someone suggested that the negative AMO could reduce mean temperature by half a degree Celsius. If that's the case, given the lapse rate per altitude, that as if every hill in Scotland had just become 250 feet higher and over a large area of high ground that would profound influence on snow fall and duration of snow cover.
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On 09 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Climate science seems to be an oxymoron since it is not scientific when the likes of Karl just make stuff up to try to get rid of the flat-lining temperature. If its job was to get coverage in the usual places (Guardian and BBC) then it succeeded. They will be the last to acknowledge it was a work of fiction of course. Amusing thing is that Karl contradicts some of the numerous 'pause' explanations put forward by fellow warmists. A mixed day of overcast with sunny spells later on. Again not overly warm and driving at 7.30pm had the heater on. Wind direction change this morning to the east and a chilly start. Over in the Netherlands, 2 provinces have recorded their lowest temperatures for this time of year.
On 09 Jun 2015, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
Ron Greer
Ordered a copy of Adam Watson's book - in the days that I lived in Glasgow and read up about Scottish history, his name (and that of his father) loomed large in SMC journals. His ski tours in the Cairngorms were a stimulus to me traversing from Corrour to Dalwhinnie solo and enjoying pristine spring snow in the north-facing corries of the Grey Corries back in the day. I"m sure the book will be a goldmine of relevant information......
On 09 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
co2ers like to say as in the previous guardian link "“I’ve heard the science, I’ve weighed up the evidence. Now I’m convinced. Join me.” Yet anyone who does hear the science weigh up the evidence and say their not convinced is charged with not being 'a climate scientist' and so are classed as irrelevant and denier. So in their hallucinations your 'non expert' choice is only acceptable and relevant if it agrees with theirs lol. If one looks at the courses of climate science at least 50% of it is mitigation of co2 policies. Climate scientists farm out the climate models to the physics departments because they do not understand the maths or the physics. The term climate scientist has been hijacked by those who use it as a mask to hide their agenda. One doesn't need a degree in electrical engineering to 'have the opinion' the sitting room bulb has blown and needs changing ie it does not work.
On 09 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
The co2ers describe their path as "a condition of strongly held opinion, attained through a process of evaluation, leading to a commitment" so they are trying to use 'Billy Graham' style alter calls to crystalise commitment. "John Houghton is the founding co-chair of Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a Methodist lay preacher. In 2002 he created an “altar call” for US evangelical leaders". So come on down and be happy clappy lol. Real science doesn't need altar calls because the evidence is enough and the confirmed predictions and testing prove it so. People have instinctively recognised co2ers as part of a religion because that is where its secret origins are and Meto and Hadley are its Vatican Capital. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/04/climate-change-campaigners-evangelism-religion-activism
On 09 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A bright start blue sky and sunshine which got me motivated even though I was shattered, stayed warmish and sunny then clouded over around lunch onwards, temp tailed off earlier in the day in the polytunnel also so shut myself in there with 20 deg. to keep me warm whilst potting up plants and sowing seeds, max temp 16 deg. V. Light NE breeze switched to N cool evening n down to 7 now at midnight, tractors are still on the road so I'm not the only one making the most of the current dry slightly warmer interlude! Link was well interesting ta Russ..
On 08 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RHYS JAGGAR: Agree with the overall proposition, but these days I'm a retired old git with no car and a heart condition! I was back up at the Cairngorm ski centre ( courtesy of my bus pass) There was a dusting of fresh snow down to about 850 metres and of course very little ablation of the snow beds since last week. Dr. Adam Watson or 'Mr Cairngorms' such is his scientific knowledge of the area jointly authored , some years ago a book called 'Cool Britannia' which presented a corpus of knowledge and photos of all the late lying snowbeds in the British mountains, so a lot of the work may have already been done. Now that we have established ski centres in the Mamores & Cairngorms, more info on snow accumulation and duration should be at hand. Luckily places like Glencoe, the west Drumochter hills, Ben Alder & the Cairngorms can all be photographed from nearby roads. I will be going back to Loch Laidon at the same weekend this year as last & will take photos of Glencoe
On 08 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
theguvnor- sadly they all use the models the uk meto office churn out [with public money!] for the UN so the uk is the prime mover in creating biased models that create worse than random predictions upon which the co2ers then say trillions of taxpayer money worldwide needs to be spent. The reason for the uk being the 'pointman' goes back to a previous head of the met John Houghton whose eco evangelical christian views were about 'saving the world' where he has compared the stewardship of the Earth, to the stewardship of the Garden of Eden by Adam and Eve. He was one of the prime movers as co chair of the IPCC. The saviour complex then was channeled into the co2 belief. . Houghton then moved into a role at hadley where the modela are made. See his eco christian speeches. They are Blair scary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_T._Houghton So the key to all this co2 religion is Meto and Hadley. Without them hijacking public money the whole thing would collapse.
On 08 Jun 2015, theguvnor wrote:
Interesting article here at Wattsupwith that suggesting 'It’s time for skeptics of every nation to look at what is going on in their weather office. There is something seriously wrong when they can publish completely failed results with impunity and yet still demand credibility over policy. Skeptics need to expose how the bureaucracies are used for a political agenda and do it with inadequate data and corrupted science.'
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/08/another-model-vs-reality-problem-national-weather-offices-canada-a-case-study-with-national-and-global-implications/
On 08 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
gav vids points to that the NAO for may is the coldest its been since the 80s ie before all the 'warming'. Even the water on the tropics is 'cold'. where is all the mythological co2 generated heat going? lol.
On 08 Jun 2015, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
Ron
A suggestion for you to build up 'potential sites for Scottish Glaciers' into a 'pipeline of potential sites':
1. A list of sites where snow remained through a continuous 16 month period (from December one winter through to April the spring after next) - these are sites where the capability of snow residing through two winters and one summer/autumn exist.
2. A shorter list of sites where the snowpack has remained continuously for 2 summers/autumns and three winters - these ones have eliminated freak sites where only abnormal snowfall in one year caused the first event to occur. These might reasonably be called 'embryonic sites of glacier genesis'.
3. A yet shorter list where snowpack remains for four winters and three summers/autumns - these might be called 'potentially emerging glaciers'.
4. A list which probably has no populated sites yet, but where snow survives for 6 winters and five summers/autumns continuously. These could reasonably be called 'young glaciers'.
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On 08 Jun 2015, Rhys Jaggar wrote:
Ron Greer
I've read with interest your comments about snow in the Scottish mountains and would be interested if you are keeping a log of your observations, particularly the last two seasons. Given the extraordinary snowfalls in 2013/14 and the obviously significant falls this, it would be valuable if discussions could be based on any data you have recorded (even 'visible snow from the road' with a date and year and location when added up can start the debate effectively).
Do you have that posted anywhere?
On 08 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Warm and sunny today with some clouds and a light breeze. Warmth dropped away quickly in the evening again. Re the Karl paper - I wonder how long this will be allowed to stay published given its make believe method. No doubt it was pal-reviewed otherwise how does such nonsense get published. Good piece by Lord Monckton on how he met Karl at a US hearing posted on WUWT.
On 07 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
PADDY: Was up at Rannoch today. There were still daffodils out and by the looks of the view into the Glencoe hills, you might be getting that glacier walk at home sooner than 20 years. Looks like a ground frost tonight and for most the week.
On 07 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
It was quite a nice day warm for a while max temp 16 deg. almost had an early summer feel to it though I can feel it drop in temp this eve. ( 7/8 deg @ 10pm ) Just finished up in the garden for the day was a manic mission to do as much as I could while it was dry and nice, finally got runner beans planted out in the ground, planted out chilli n pepper plants in the tunnel, earthed up spuds outside and turned the compost heap over, Polytunnel reached 30 till I got to the back door n wedged it open its like one extreme to the other lol, plants still very slow but sure for the time of year, strawberries are starting to grow also. Cheers Russ for post and link will read that in a mo ;)
On 07 Jun 2015, Paddy, usually Aberdeen, nae noo tho' wrote:
Since we’ve been here in Les Diablerets in the French-speaking Swiss Alps, we have had the same weather process every day: sunny and hot to 28ºC all morning, lovely fair weather cumulus clouds gradually building into big towers which eventually produce the nightly thunderstorm starting around 6pm. The thunder echoes impressively among the mountains. Today, the clouds formed earlier and the show started already at 5pm, accompanied by very heavy rain. On our daily peregrinations we've seen many signs of heavy rainfall, deep ravines & tons of boulders, stones & mud spread on roads. Our family tell us that at home it’s alternately cool & cloudy and sunny & warm. RON: no swallows & bats at this time is of concern, wonder what this year will be like for veg & tree growth. We had a short walk on a glacier yesterday, all mushy wet snow but glacier underneath nevertheless – if I’m still alive in 20 years’ time, I might be writing this on a postcard from Scotland!?
On 07 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Maria (Ireland). If the phase of the Moon can cause huge tidal differences twice daily across the world, shifting massive amounts of water, then just imagine what effect those same tidal forces are having on the collosal amount of water held aloft in the form of, not only clouds, but also the invisible component 'water-vapour'. There is also electrical charging, discharging and polarity changing induced throughout the atmosphere caused by the effect of the solar wind on the Earth's magnetic field, the Moon playing a major role in this also. NASA say that around full-moon the Moon's suface dust actually charges up electrically, like a nylon carpet, and causes dust to rise above the surface. I'll have a look for something explaining these phenomena but don't hold your breath, as this is crazy-lunatic-fringe-pseudoscience you know hehehehe! Start with this: >> http://1.usa.gov/1AW4ayn << Yes, 250,000 miles apart yet they influence each other greatly...
On 07 Jun 2015, Steve-Dorset wrote:
http://iceagenow.info/2015/06/just-change-the-data-it-all-works-now-sad/
This shows the warmists will go to any lengths to get their way and from what I can see the Politicians and newspapers believe them, If the facts don't match the theory, change the facts.
On 07 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
RUSS: just came across one of them in the columns of the Herald, Scotland. His response to my question about the pause in warming over the last few years was 'what pause'. Ash tree across the road from me still not out in leaf. Most other trees still a bit behind. No Swallows during the day or Bats at night
On 06 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
I have a confession to make. Today I realised that aliens do indeed exist. They must exist, otherwise, how could I have been drugged, abducted then deposited on this faux Earth. It's definitely not the same planet on which I was born and grew up on. When I was a child, there were always a couple of lunatics in every class. Then there was always the occasional psycho in whatever job you ended up doing. But in the space of just a few decades, a new prerequisite to attain any job in the climate sciences seems to be sheer, certified lunacy. The universities seem to be actively promoting lunacy, in fact actually teaching (brainwashing ?), the apparently advanced numbers these days, of the lunatic fringe. I wish Mr Branstons would hurry up and build his space-plane so I can leave this interplanetary asylum for the criminally insane. My evidence? >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33006179 << They've all gone barking mad guvnor!
On 06 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Craig is there a good link for how the moons influence contributes to the weather, i'm guessing it affects the oceans and atmospheric pressure patterns but I'd like to understand more... showers this a.m very breezy cloudy and 13 deg. but feels cool, wind sw switched to w at mo, poor peonies and flowers have took a bit of a beating recently lots of green leaves on the ground also..
On 06 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Warm coming home and going shopping. Lots of people outside the pubs.However, out in the garden at around 9pm it was certainly not t-shirt temperature. Clear night with bright moon. Sunny with clouds and a stiff breeze today. No super heat as promised at the start of the week. No storms in London or at home during the afternoon and evening. From being on the verge of dormant the sun has sparked back into life with 105 sunspots and the SFU has crept up to 126 so can we expect a burst of heating? Craig- so true about the oceans. A question the warmists don't answer is if earlier warming pre-1950 was natural then why is it not possible that the modern warm period was natural as well other than AGW being invented in the 80s? No wonder they are hard at work changing the data to play down earlier warm periods if not as blatantly as Mikey and his hokeystick (correct spelling).
On 06 Jun 2015, Henk wrote:
Hi everyone,
I check daily the NAO,AO, PNA and AAO. Since the last five days all oscilations are sprong negative..especially the AAO!. Pierce...is this normal for the time of the year or do we have to prepare for the coming winter?
Greetings from the netherlands
On 06 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
Just to clarify "The oceans cycles alone throw this link into doubt." - by this I am ignoring solar effects (for the sake of argument) and saying that the ocean cycles (warm/cold phases of the Atlantic+Pacific) can explain 'global warming' and much of the climate we experience. This is the position of, for example, Joe Bastardi. So the cool/pauses of the last 100 years or so can be explained by the ocean cycles. The correlate with the warm/cool/warm/cool phases which CO2 does not explain but happens to coincide during the warm)up) phases and not during the cool(down) phases. If CO2 is so bloody powerful why is it so 'turn of and onable'? Sorry it cannot work like that. If oceans can explain the pause, they explain the rise. Now what controls the rough ~60yr rhythm then? That's where our star plays a part - in the long and short term. CO2 doesn't cut the mustard no matter how much those in the pay of ACME Condiments are kicking up a fuss ahead of their Dec AGM, ;)
On 06 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote: wrote:
What a strange day. I vaguely recall commenting here during an Autumn or Spring a couple back where I could feel different 'parcels' of wind in the eddies & swirls. Today was a more straight forward dewpoint switch from tropical to polar air. Watching the MetOBeeb forecast this evening they showed a high of 27C for the far eastern portion of the country as the plume clipped past. Andy Murray's 4th set (33C recorded earlier at 1730) was curtailed by approaching thunderstorms (2030 local time) === http://ow.ly/NWAxQ ===
Here it maxed at under 23C. The f'cast mentioned how 'unseasonal' the winds (Scot) will be for the incoming low tomorrow. This low is what created the plume by pulling tropical air up from Sth & conversely is dragging in polar air behind. DP's spiked at 17C, but stayed ~13C. Temps peaked later but sudden a drop of 10C after 6 (the fall & rise in temps lagged behind DP's). The 10C drop wasn't half noticeable this evening! Coat back on!
On 05 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Max 14 deg mixed bag of a day, humid start some heavy cloud around then bright spells more cloud followed by a fresh breeze heavy shower or two then repeated, the wind is throwing the spanner in the works as it is up and down in strength as it decreased at times the sun felt nice but never long enough to ditch the jumper 9 deg. at 11.30 feels cooler.
On 05 Jun 2015, Matt wrote:
Thanks Craig (and others), I'm never been sure if Piers denies absolutely the CO2/H2O/CH4 link, or believes that these gases do indeed have an effect but that it is so small that they can be ignored. I hope Piers can clarify.
On 05 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...it was a particularly intense deluge, a record still. So we seem to have a solar factor that *could* explain the phenomenon. The post will contain more but essentially we had a quiet sun (SC20 was a very quiet cycle coinciding with more meridional patterns) with a sudden uptick. Just like the activity 2013/14 in our low solar cycle seemed coincident with our stormy weather I may have found something else. The post will hopefully outline better.// humid AM after the rain but we clipped the humidity plume. Long streams of colonumbus now replaced by long streams of cirrus. Feels cooler. Tues predicted to be max of 14C. Nothing above 20C expected according to MoBeeb. Some fine weather but no heat. Wish there was more rain. My garden is thirsty. Today an example of how we in the South clip these plumes // Caleb with a good reason to dismiss the NASA 'Big Lie' === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/arctic-sea-ice-refutes-global-warming-karl-et-al-report
On 05 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...BobW/Piers this is of major interest - Since June 1975 has been in the news with the cold plunge+Scottish snow (snow made it to London back then) I remembered something & went hunting. Little know in the grand scheme of the 75-76 drought is the localised storms. The drought varied but some areas had less than ~50% rainfall month after month (low winter rainfall too) but just like today's thunderstorms & last year's a lot of rain can fall in a short time. 14 Aug 75 dropped ~170-200 mm of rain in about 3hrs! Paul Homewood has covered this before === https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/hampsteads-storm-of-the-century/ === I wondered what our sun was doing? 75 was approaching minimum but in Aug there was a solar uptick & what looks to be a large sunspot (more analysis in post to come) crossed the earth facing side. SSN had a large uptick in the week preceding the storm (off hand about ~7 days)....
On 05 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Ron - 1975 - the cold early start was followed by a swing to warmth (from booty weather) --- "A 'spectacular' CHANGE OF TYPE: Early unusually cold/northerly outbreak with snow/frost etc., with midday TEMPERATURE on the 2nd only 2 degC (see above) ..... then on 7th, MAXIMA 22 to 27 degC. Thought to have occurred only 3 times in the previous 100 years. Over the following week, maxima of at least 27 degC were recorded somewhere in Britain each day. On the 9th, 28.9 degC was recorded at Achnashellach, in the northwest Highlands of Scotland." --- a bit like this past week with the cold plunge followed by a rising plume which clipped the SE (see Gerry's comment) - nasty cells heading from NW France into the low countries (Saskia if you happen to be reading your obs always appreciated). Climate extremes/swings from a meridional pattern (c.f. Feb+May 2012 also). Now here comes a v. interesting bit I looked at (will do a proper post on this) that I was surprised by....
On 05 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...also as far as we can tell (at the massive resolution) from icecores CO2 has always lagged temperature. So it is an effect not a cause. It also has only correlated with temps in the modern era at short ranges (i.e. during warming periods not cooling/pauses). Hence it fit well during the ~1910-1940's+~1970's-(late) 1990's warmings but sucked at other times. The oceans cycles alone throw this link into doubt. Hubert Lamb was approached by Callender when the correlation broke in the 70's ice age scare. If Piers went 'mainstream' - he could earn lots as you say and gain credence - his entire body of work would be invalidated. Would a serious scientist accept flat earth theory just to gain acceptance if that was the prevailing current? However, I do think that Piers theories could be worked into climate/weather models. In a sense we do that anyway by applying R periods to short term forecasts. There if anything is a way forward.
On 05 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Matt/Maverickman- co2 theory works with all else being equal. It is not. The oceans alone add an oscillation to the system (bar NASA 'no pause' fiddling) that is being investigated now (recent paper predicts 0.5C cooling from AMO switch to cold). So that alone disproves the 'equal scenario'. We then have solar/lunar effects which happen at many wavelengths & for example is postulated even by some mainstream/CONcensus scientists as affecting our climate. CO2 works well experimentally in a closed system but our earth is not. Just look at how the ionosphere reacts to solar storms (particle/density flux) or how UV affects the Ozone. To put it simply it's like breaking wind in a farmer's field after they have been muckspreading - do you blame the person with dodgy guts for the smell? Piers, to my knowledge, has never denied the effect of CO2 at a theoretical level however it is so small it cannot be measured & there lies the problem. Water vapour is the predominant greenhouse gas...
On 05 Jun 2015, Andy B 45D Farmer sub SE Wales wrote:
Matt don't forget CO2 is only 4% of GHG (and manmade CO2 is only a small% of that)Water vapour is 95% and has a far greater effect on our climate , going back 5 years it was always about CO2 making a positive feedback on water vapour that has gone very quiet now because it was impossible to prove
On 05 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
matt wrote-"then once you have recognition ". its naive to think the co2ers are some reasoned experts who only need to peer review then they will accept it. They will NEVER accept it. EVER. It would be a fundamental denial of their whole existence and their employment. Trillions have been spent on co2 delusion. Greed is bigger than devotion to truth. I too have done a study of the forecasts and am convinced it has a statistical significance greater than random. Anyone can do that review for themselves. If the co2ers could have proved no significance they would have done so years ago. They can't so they just carp and bear false witness from the sidelines. Unlike the co2ers data WA forecasts are online for anyone to 'peer review' and thus disprove. So the question is why don't they?
On 05 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
matt- co2 is not a cause its an effect. The current facts fit with us being in an inter glacial warming period and temps can go up 4 c and still be in normal ice age cycle ranges. Those who pander to co2 insist on decontextualising from ice age cycles like they dont exist, have never existed or have stopped. The co2ers are the deniers.
On 05 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Matt - current evidence suggests that Piers is correct in saying CO2 doesn't drive global temperatures as we approach 20years of no rise despite increasing CO2 levels. Other than computer models or debunked studies, there is no evidence to support the CO2 theory. And to submit SLAT to publication loses Piers his income. Ron - nice comment as it is MetO in a nutshell. No forecasting ability. Yesterday was the warmest in quite a while but even so it tailed off quite quickly in the evening. There was a heavy downpour in the early hours after dawn (sorry didn't check the time as hate looking as finding you are 10mins from the alarm). A wall of warmth hit on opening the front door and there was a humid feel. More grey cloud to the west that looked like another downpour but didn't. Finally the sun has come through in London.
On 05 Jun 2015, Matt wrote:
I'm a Piers Corbyn supporter because my analysis (at themaverickman.com) clearly demonstrates a forecasting ability far greater than chance, but putting Co2 and methane in the atmosphere is going to warm the atmosphere isn't it, because these gases trap heat? I want the SLAT theory to get recognition and Piers' Co2 denial is preventing that. Piers - admit you're wrong about Co2, get a peer-reviewed study of your forecasts, and then once you have recognition then surely the SLAT theory will speak for itself?
On 05 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MObeeb long range for next week is the epitome of heads I win ,tails you lose. One scenario is high to the immediate SW and low to the immediate NE with a resultant cold flow directly from Greenland. Version 2 is High moving far to the Atlantic and Low to the immediate SW giving the exact opposite flow from a warm Continent. You can't invent this kind of stuff---but they do!!
On 05 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Matt no disrespect but that's like me saying, I don't believe in religion I have seen no proof that would make me want to join any particular religious group of people, so I should join anyway! Most organisations unfortunately see only one thing £ € $ and that is the basis of their argument for a particular cause, others stand out as the minority but talk a lot more logical sense than the majority and they will be reluctant to give these individuals theory the time it deserves because it will burst their cash rich bubble, only when the cause and effects start affecting the lives of many will peeps question motive/intent and people will change brainwashed opinions and question those who should be able to answer, it's beginning to happen but it will take time to come to realisation hopefully, ego is also another factor that makes people stubborn as they don't like to be seen to be wrong it makes them feel powerless.. I wouldn't join something I didn't believe in for all the tea in china
On 05 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Matt- usually what happens in science is any new progress is denied until the old school die out. Piers will have a statue outside the royal society in 150 years lol. The royal society sat on the longitude clock for 50 years while hundreds died at sea. It took the Navy to thump tables and bang heads together before the 'scientists' accepted it. Modern science is more fragile egos of invested interest than facts and evidence.
On 05 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MATT: are you thinking of standing as a Liberal MP? There is no way that both theories can be correct. One is predicting greater heat and the other a cooling world in the next two decades. Piers is already a trained scientist arguing for honest objective science.
On 05 Jun 2015, Matt (subscriber) wrote:
Piers, could both your SLAT theory AND the Co2 warming theory both be true? It would be a shame if you never got recognition for your life's work because you are a climate change denier. In science you have to join the club first, THEN you can break the rules!
On 04 Jun 2015, Paddy, Aberdeen Soutth, 160m elevation wrote:
Another hot day, reaching 30ºC and feeling really sticky in the sun. Moved eastwards into the alpine region of the canton of Vaud to les Diablerets, a well-known winter sports station, where it is agreeably cooler. We could see the clouds heaping up against the peaks and sure enough it started thundering somewhere in the deep valleys with a bit of rain following; great to hear that, as back home we mostly get thunder & lightning in the wintertime, and then only for a few minutes. Looking at the weather maps and forecasts for Aberdeen is not an uplifting experience and I wonder what sort of growing year we’ll have had when it’s all over. Light levels have been good so far, unlike 2012.
On 04 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Similar day again dry some sun and cloud some heavy lookin 9 deg. at 9 a.m max 14 still 12 now at 9 pm felt cooler with the light breeze but not a bad day, Paddy enjoy your heat and scenery good luck to ya ;)
On 04 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Went up to the Cairngorms today. Amazed at the snowpack in Drumochter and Ben Alder en route too. Most snow is in north and east facing slopes as opposed to the west facing slopes in the last few years. Noticed that the commentary on the funicular train mentioned that the snowfalls in recent years had been the heaviest in living memory.
On 04 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
C.VIEW: thanks for thinking of me. Yes, I saw that on facebook yesterday and got in touch with Andy at the centre right away, Ironically, a couple of years ago, I took some Alaskan friends on a tour past this area and they commented on how the centre needed to be landscaped with trees ( they even offered to collect seed from the Alaskan coastal mountains) Andy has been inundated with offers of help and of course the publicity opportunities have not been overlooked by the NGOs and Trusts.
On 03 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
RON Glencoe ski centre looking for advice on tree planting around their campsite. Maybe you can help?
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
LEE BARRET: are you familiar with the book by Iain Cameron and Adam Watson 'Cool Britannia' dealing with long last snowbeds in the UK? It's fascinating indeed and its very interesting to note Iain Cameron's reaction to the most recent snowfall I terms of its unusual nature. My gut instinct based on working in sub-Arctic/Arctic areas in both the Old and New World, is that we are dealing with something profound and significant here. Even hills that are Corbetts rather than Munros are carrying far more snow than normal at this time of year. We need to clinically examine these long lying snowbeds in Glencoe and Ben Nevis to see if they fully meet the criteria of being a glacier, however small.
On 03 Jun 2015, Paddy, Aberdeen South, 160m elevation wrote:
Apologies for being so cheery but the weather here on the shores of Lake Geneva is just beyond splendid, temps in the high 20s C and set to rise over 30 in the next few days, so we’re not having a glimpse but an eyeful of summer. Winter barley is already ripening, maize is up to a foot high, rapeseed with green seed pods ready to ripen, hay being made and sugar beet being watered in parts. We’ll be moving into the Alps tomorrow for a few days where it’ll be cooler but still way above the Scottish so-called summer; we’ll likely be visiting the glacier at Les Diablerets so that we can get used to what it’ll be like when the Scottish ones get going again :-)
On 03 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
9 deg @ 8 a.m blue sky followed by a mix of cloud sun and a few light spots of rain on occasion, light sw breeze felt a tinsy bit milder and brighter max 15 deg 12 now at 7.45pm
On 03 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbysheeps wrote:
Ron...do you have a stream near your property? >> https://youtu.be/gUmDvENKPig << Also folks, fed up buying super expensive vehicle batteries, especially the latest gel ones, which will die if left uncharged for a few months over the winter. I often wondered if this was possible but never bothered researching it...until now! >> https://youtu.be/z3x_kYq3mHM << So a much smaller and incredibly lightweight device to replace your vehicle battery. I need to research this some more, cos I have questions. How does it fair at -15C? Or at +30C? Or rainy days, with cold and high humidity, creating lots of condensation? Are there any problems with repeated charging cycles, or time constraints with charging? At least you could let it completely discharge without harming the capacitors. Could get a bit dangerous faffing around under the hood/bonnet in damp conditions. But it's doable and that's fantastic. Think of the weight saving! Even find the capacitors from old scrap tv's and stuff!
On 03 Jun 2015, Lee Barrett wrote:
Hi Piers & everyone i just though id add more evidence of the new mini ice age & all so the big ice age starting. Theres another Glacier forming in the highest mountain in Scotland too. keep up the great work Piers & everyone :)
On 03 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Iceagenow - we accept that we are all pretty much either doing this in our spare time or on budgets thousands of times smaller than the warmists. Better to report the events rather than the warnings so it is a record of snow and cold events. MetO - their fancy computer won't help as the underlying model is faulty. With all the cold around, let us hope that come Paris in December, France is hit with mega snow that closes the roads and airports (a massive dose of the Gore Effect since he will be there no doubt) and they can't get there or get home.
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MObeeb now reducing the 'glimpse of summer' to the merest blink, with Scotland not even getting that much. Indeed next week instead of the predicted high sitting right over us, we're more li8kely going to get a low pressure to the NW pulling in more chilly air from Greenland/Iceland---more snow for the Grampians anyone?
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Russ NE Derbysheeps; As far as I am aware, the main contention of the' solarist-coolists' is whether we are going to have a Daltin or Maunder minimum experience in the next few decades ( not that this precludes something worse). What really will be interesting is if these short term events keep occurring in sequence and especially if there is more snow later in the spring and longer more persistent snowpack into the summer. Only time will tell.
On 03 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Comment from the Nevis Range Ski Centre website ''There is still some snow on the higher slopes for those properly equipped and experienced back country skiers and snowboarders.''
On 03 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbysheeps wrote:
Craig ... I do think it makes Robert look bad when some of the scariest posts end up predictions only. It is those posts which 'need' some kind of follow up. Don't forget how Piers trolls only ever focus on his misses, never his monumental hits. His books tell of true catastrophe which could strike in a very short space of time. But if his posts of 1~2 day ahead predictions end up wrong or just blank, then who will believe his longer range predictions of catastrophe? I just wish he would concentrate on the aftermath posts rather than the predictive ones...a much safer bet....... Ron ... I was dismissive of the shorter cycles of heavy snowfall because they are not really indicative of the true nature of a rapid slide into deep cold, as we would see if an ice age started. 150 years ago we were in the death throes of the last mini ice age, so repeats of snowfall and localised glaciation would only warn of the min' not max' type of icemageddon, following levels of hardship being paramount.
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Richard: the difference will be like letters from Mr. E. F.F. Awl and Mr F.N. Disgrace.
On 03 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
If the bbc is removing all the caveats from forecasts because the public 'won't understand it' then what is the difference between a bbc weather forecast and a sexed up iraq dossier?
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
CRAIG: thanks for your very constructive comments. These confirmed my memories of both 1975 and 1976. The former was the easier, because of the experience 31st May/ 1st June my father and myself had fishing in the snow at Loch Garry, near the infamous Drumochter Pass.
Yes my impression of the spring of 2014 was that it was exceptionally warm and that the year before was an exceptionally cold spring. This makes it all the more interesting that neve was found on Ben Nevis in 2014, but of course, the winter before, though not severely cold was another record year for snowfall in the Highlands. This time we have a large area of snowpack and a much cooler spring, so the prospect for neve is interesting even if we have average temperature until August. We can help Robert and yourself in Ice Age Now, by providing that feedback ourselves.
On 03 Jun 2015, Ron Greee wrote:
Russ of The Shire: it is only instrumental records that prevent these discussions just being an exchange of anecdotes. Look how memories of 1975 and 1976 were being discussed until Craig accessed the records. Sadly such instrumental records, through historical circumstance alone, only go back a couple of centuries at and even more sadly, recent collection of that data may have been 'amended' to suit a certain political agenda. Looking at these records lets us know just how remarkable the snowfall situation is in Scotland's nearest European neighbour, Norway and how off the norm the snow situation in the Scottish Highlands. is. Craig is right, because among other reasons, the divergence of the warmist and coolist predictions for where the climate will be in the next decade or so, is so large, that we will have a fair idea of who is right or wrong in the next 5. There will be no excuses.
On 03 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More extensive coverage on the Dunedin floods http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/live-updates-dunedin-flooding-cuts-power-causes-slips-and-blocks-roads-6329715. The rain has come back with a vengeance here in the last hour or so but our Met Service forecast for our region says "showers, clearing this evening" So what, in Met Service terms is the difference between showers and heavy rain?
On 03 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Meto admits it can't predict anything not even in hindsight yet boast they know the future. "Met Office supercomputer would not have forecast 1987 storm.Tim Palmer, Professor of Climate Physics at Oxford University, who sits on the Met Office’s Scientific Advisory Committee, said after running a retrospective simulation their new computer gave only a 40 per cent probability of the freak weather occurring. " Prof Palmer admits they do not know causes but are 'gamers' like those system on the financial markets that offer percentages yet if Meto had bet money on their gaming system they would be losing. They with their ring fenced subsidy are not losing but the nation is. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/11647408/Even-the-Met-Office-supercomputer-would-not-forecast-1987-storm.html Michael Fish Slams the BBC dummed down use of forecasts who believe using full forecasts with caveats means "the public won’t accept it and won’t understand it,". Or handy propaganda tool?
On 03 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
India Met office issue long range forecast which is just another propaganda article to say its climate change ie co2. One wonders what their track record for long range forecast is or maybe like the UK Met office they hide their long range predictions from the public because even with their £100 million supercomputer 'big brain' its no better than throwing darts and throwing darts might be more accurate than their built in bias? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3108130/Met-office-warns-India-facing-drought.html
On 03 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Major flooding today in Dunedin (Otago, South Island) http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69063192/flooding-wreaks-havoc-in-dunedin. More heavy rain overnight and today in our region but now improving and turning colder.
On 03 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...but more importantly I'd be able to swan off to summits (1st class or in limos left outside with the motors running) any time of day or night so I could tell others to give up cake whilst I stuffed my podgy fat face...or I could just take money from Big Green and do the same - so anyway that's why I'm happy to give Robert some slack. ;) // Wind finally died down now but it howled all night long. Ground covered in piles of leaves like autumn but most strange when they are all shiny green young leaves. Lots of pine cones on the floor too. Felt warmer late yesterday eve as dew points rose taking the chill away until they dropped again this eve so it was actually pleasant this afternoon before the clouds rolled back. Yesterday (min/max) 16C/6C (DP's 10/4) Today 20/11 (15/6). The heatwave the local radio station went on about the weekend is...wait for it...21C! // Ron - According to Gibby GFS accuracy at 8 days >50% dropping to ~22% by day 10.
On 03 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...now if only I had my hands on some of that 'Big Oil' money the Koch's reportedly chuck out like rice at a wedding then I'd have a glitzy website with an army of paid zombies trolls spreading fear & disinformation, crushing dissent by throwing monkeys in any room where the peons dare to rise from incoherence to understanding. Then the monkeys crap on everything & claim they are offended & so *you* must be discriminated against. When there's nothing left to smear they take a totalitarianism on Wiki to levels that would make Stalin proud. I'd fund armies of bureautwats of the legislative monolith ready at a moments notice to penalise common sense & smother independent thought in a sea of red tape and 'objections'. I'd have legions of mainstream churnalists at my beck & call ready to spread anything I scrape from my toilet bowl at a moments notice & a president of the free world on hand to slag off & insult anyone with a partially functioning moral compass...
On 02 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Ron - thanks for update on 'retarded' (latin definition) spring. Fits well with Norway. BTW Next Nevis survey is in Aug as you say// Russ (of the Shire) - "Robert [of IceAgeNow] said he doesn't have the time to post follow ups." Just to clarify that was me, not Robert. He may have said that at some point but I was just saying I can understand why he *may* not always follow up. Online bloggers rely on news we get from tweets/comments etc. Often (after checking the story - old stories get recycled like on facebook) it's a copy/paste. Unlike journalists who are paid to be accurate, we squeeze what we do in between f/t jobs+family responsibilities-I do some posts on breaks! Dock a brownie point from the likes of former BBC copy/paste specialist Richard Black, but understand it's not always easy to follow up. Comments help tremendously in follow ups. I try not to go with forecasts for posts (except say Agency warnings) & prefer reports from 'the field'...
On 02 Jun 2015, Russ of the Shire wrote:
I read a post somewhere where someone said that IceAgeNow often posts predictions of deep snow and record temps but rarely gives a follow up. Robert said he doesn't have the time to post follow ups. Well I'm sorry Robert but if you have the time to post predictions, then you have the time to post follow ups. Lose one brownie point for a poor excuse! Any road up...lots of folk on this'ere thread talking of extra scary snowfall in Norway. Then Scotlands raison d'etre in the history books by also having its late snowfall. Well the way I see it, its not just 30 year or 50 year or even 150 year records that matter, because that's a short term cycle. Craig has his finger on mother natures pulse when he says, 'lets wait another 5 years', the we'll know what to expect. At that point you'll know whether to stock up on beers or bullets and barbed wire!! After all the scare stories of the past 50 years we may actually have one to face up to and deal with. So watch IceAgeNow very closely!
On 02 Jun 2015, Harris Keillar - Edinburgh 150msubscriber wrote:
The Norwegian snow is quite astonishing - they've got 9 metres of it on some roads - the text is in Norwegian though the photos don't need explaining - http://www.nrk.no/sorlandet/juni-uvaer-skaper-problemer-1.12389451 and in Scotland http://www.glencoemountain.co.uk/webcams.html
On 02 Jun 2015, Dean wrote:
Dean ( Glenlivet, 245m, Grampian, Scotland)
RON, yes, Mobeeb not mentioned snow symbols yesterday, this morning woke up to see a snow covered Ben Rinnes, prob down to 350m or so. Ladder Hiils and Cromdales White on top. Looking west certainly Cairngorm plateau looked a lot whiter. Another frost for Highland glens tonight....
Welcome to summer lol
On 02 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Mark Vogan has some pics on Twitter of fresh snow on Glencoe === https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkVogan/status/605665366782668800 === so I did a post === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/fresh-snow-in-highlands-is-it-winter-or-summer/ === be sure to follow link to Mark's post on prev incidences of May/June snow. // Kevin - your memory is fine. The drought was indeed 75-76. '75 was an impressive summer but forgotten due to summer of '76. (ended in a Sept deluge after the minister of drought appointed) // Ron - thank you! Did some hunting. Just wow! (2014 was a record for warmth. Is this the start of flip as we descend to solar min?) === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/snow-waiting-to-melt-sends-nordic-power-prices-to-new-lows/ === other fresh posts up too. // Subscribe people! An 'interesting' summer beckons. Failing that donate and counter the 'green subsidy' transfer of wealth that is anything but sustainable - it Robin Hood in reverse!!!!
On 02 Jun 2015, Richard T yearly sub Redcar wrote:
Kevin i think that was 1976 i remember it well in the boys brigade in Ayr at the time sweating all summer lol stand pipes and hose bans galore!!
read below.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/heatwave-britain-what-it-was-like-during-recordbreaking-1976-scorcher-8713469.html
On 02 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Just had an email from a colleague in Norway who works in mountain ecology. The snowfall/lying in SW Norway is now the greatest for 150 years. There is also 4 metres of snow on the Cairngorm plateau.
On 02 Jun 2015, Kevin Harrow wrote:
Ron Geer mentions the June 1975 snow fall. I remember it well it stopped the Test Match and a few days later was followed by one of the longest and hottest heat waves that I have known in my 60+ years. The MoBeeb themselves regaled us with the temperature on Wimbledon’s Centre Court at 120f. And didn’t mark the start of the “great drought” or is my memory getting the better of me?
On 02 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MObeeb now plugging the June snow of 1975, presumably to let us know how much warmer it has got sense then-----an oh the heatwave has now turned into 'a glimpse of summer'
On 02 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Blustery showers yesterday evening - one very heavy one around midnight. More of the same this morning but it appeared not so in London when I arrived - delayed due to fallen tree on the line to London Bridge. Westerly wind is howling through the gaps in our windows at times while it is overcast with some showers around. Not warm at all. And this miraculous heatwave doesn't seem to be on the Met's forecast page for London. Has it fizzled out already?
On 02 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
C.VIEW: yes, a timely reminder indeed and there's even more snow around than then. The key month will be August. The rest of June, according to GFS anyway, will not be exceptional in any way---BUT!?
On 02 Jun 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
This past 9 months has been one of the most expensive that I can remember for gas usage. We started switching on the heating in September, and we still have it on today with just a handful of days with it switched off. Increased electricity use too due to the heating using an electric pump. If we have lots of cold and rainy days throughout June and July (nothing new?), then I can see us having the cetral heating on in every month of the year. Now that IS unprecedented! ........ This surprise storminess! Could it be due to the alignment of the Moon, Juptier and Venus, with the Sun almost joining in a day or two ago?? Did anything show up on the charts, magnetic anomalies in the upper atmosphere perhaps? A short burst during closest alignment as the Atlantic ocean lined up about midday would be perfect. Probably triggered an excess of lightning strikes somewhere on the globe too...wild fires in a tinder dry region perhaps?
On 02 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
still blustery today but a little sunshine some heavy cloud about and a few showers earlier 13 deg at 11 a.m
On 02 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
Glacier like hazards found on Ben Nevis.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-28885119
On 02 Jun 2015, Not supplied wrote:
Heavy Rain and Windy here in South Wales.
Although I keep hearing about some so called heat waves coming from Wednesday the weekend?
I see the Mobeeb and met say its going up a few degrees but thats no heatwave, the current forecasts increase still leaves it below average temps.
On 02 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Some good links in the Ice Age Now site on the snow in Scotland and Norway. Eg https://www.facebook.com/GlencoeMountain?fref=photo
On 02 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
CRAIG.M: would agree with Paddy in respect of spring being about 2 weeks behind. It's not the lateness that struck me however, but the way it started then went into 'suspended animation' The long overlap of the Snowdrops, Crocus and Daffodils was very interesting and as I've said earlier in the posts, the way Alaskan and montane Norwegian origin tree seedlings flushed and grew compared to more southern and continental origins.
On 02 Jun 2015, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Heavy rain in our region overnight and this morning http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/69022726/heavy-rain-and-thunderstorms-expected-until-wednesday We had 55 mm overnight. The rain has eased back now despite the forecast.
On 02 Jun 2015, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine// Guernsey it's midnight and it's blowing a Gale force 7/8 which in my time I don t ever recall a high wind speed alert at night in the summer in June- bizarre?!
On 01 Jun 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
1˚C overnight, FROST on car roof and front lawn at 5.15am (howzat for flamin’ June, eh?), brilliant sunny start but cold WNW’ly wind, 8˚ at 7.30am, gradually clouding over & starting with showers around 2pm, though still with brighter spells in between. Max temp 13˚; yes, RON, October is about right, especially after 5pm when the rain set in and didn’t stop until 10.30pm, some of it really heavy, by which time the wind had swung from the SE to the SW as the Low moved NE’wards, 7˚ at 10.30, feeling milder. CRAIG, I think we’re about 2 weeks behind compared to ‘normal’, at least the rain has taken care of the wind-induced dryness of recent weeks. We’ll be on holiday for the next week, so reporting from Switzerland, where temps are set to be in the 30˚ region this weekend in lower parts. I’ll be complaining about the heat so as not to hurt feelings back home :-)
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Final thoughts (apols for taking up so much comment space, I read every word even if I don't reply)...I was speaking with a homeless person this evening who was unaware of the weather incoming. It's often all and well for a weather enthusiast like me to watch the weather but it brought it home how disproportionately it affects the poor. In India for example the recent heatwave has killed ~2000 & mostly those without ready access to water, especially so in urban areas where trees (natural shade) have been removed as we build ===
https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/death-due-to-heat-wave/ ===
I see no concern from the greens. Instead of helping they want fossil fuels to be removed except in 'special circumstances' they dictate. Where is the compassion from the so called social justice lobby/activists? Bloody Green Imperialism from the privileged === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/24/greenimperialism-so-much-better-for-poor-people-to-die/ ===
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Please keep the Scot snow reports coming! Watch closely!!!//
Andy - I'd say we're about 10 days behind too here over recent yrs but more dry (have planted hardy for expected wx over past few yrs which has done me well). // Maria - re: 'special K' - be wary the fat 'CONcensus'. Avoid processed, eat natural - fats & all -
- http://bit.ly/1Jfgv3O
// Ron - How ~much further behind are you this year? Also that snow- v, v interesting to see in 'summer' (call me in late June lol.-see 4 Jun 75)// richard - FIFA (well known for corruption-hardly been a secret if you dig) have nowt on this wealth redistribution ===
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/elon-musk-rakes-in-4-9bn-in-subsidies/ === Apparently if rain returns to the Sahel like in the 20's-50's (AMO signature?) it is "75%" due to CO2? Never know there's a climate summit in Paris come December would you - it's like a spoilt kid & their birthday === http://bit.ly/1GhcWJE === you can't forget! ;)
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
...e.g. I used Lorraine L's comments on the recent floods in NZ for this post here === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/14/new-zealand-worst-regional-flooding-in-living-memory/ ===
where I did a bit of background also. Agiris also puts some comments on the site, see comments ===
https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/mid-lattitude-cold-weather-roundup/ === if you leave a comment at the blog even when I have no time it gets approved anyway and I try to follow up. Also quick tip if you comment, right click on an image/copy the url and paste the into the comment and wordpress normally puts the image in automatically!! See the snow pics from Argiris above to see what it looks like. I'll tidy up if it goes funny but it usually works fine. If we can grow this community we have a wonderful resource and it *is* a great community. Thank you all for your comments. I find them invaluable. I knew of current UK N/S weather divide from you all not 'dry' data! :)
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
I've done quite a few posts the past few weeks over at weatheraction.wordpress.com - have a ganded and comment if you see a story I've missed. I'm trying to bring more of a personal element into the stories so cover posts away from the main blogs and more what people are writing about their own experiences. I also hope to do a ~weekly post covering several stories in one post with the areas affected listed by latitude (hence why I put 51N in my handle above). Like this (excuse typo 'lattitude') === https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/15/mid-lattitude-cold-weather-roundup/ === Spread on social media? === https://weatheraction.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/62476228.jpg === // Robert @IceAgeNow.info may have same problem I do with follow ups - time! Hard to keep current & follow up with so much going on. Only answer is more community effort to support. Call it cloud sourcing. Every bit u can spare helps all of us...
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
A general rambling for discussion - Back when I 1st started looking at solar downturns/LIA etc in ~2010 I sort of expected that by 2015 we'd be notably colder. In some ways we are, though regionally it has varied (e.g. early Feb 2012 was cold S/SE but nothing special further N). Again in the US in the N/NE/E+Can winters have had 'bite', but for NW/W US has been warmth. Personally I expected it too soon as I forgot/did not recognise lag. Warm a pot & it does not cool instantly. The oceans also take time. We have seen glimpses of what is coming. The Atlantic is turning cold (new paper suggests 0.5C cooling from AMO), the PDO also (despite the 'swansong of warmth' blip from blob - timed well with solar max!). Heat takes time to dissipate. The next 5yrs will be decisive despite the bleating ahead of Paris in Dec. [Maria - NAtlantic has been cool for a while now from Canada-UK, as you point out/Ron - check earth.nullschool.net+select oceans/SSTA (sea surface temperature anomalies)]
On 01 Jun 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks 51N) wrote:
Paddy - you're welcome. It might be a tad expensive but your local library may have a copy. Some of it is hard reading but there's lot of easy read historical stuff. // Quite a countrywide contrast so far this year. Saw something previous about what a snowy winter it was up north compared to average, very much a split seems to be emerging in this current phase. Fear not southerners it will be our turn soon enough// Yellow weather warning covering most of the UK for wind with rain warning for Wales (not often you see them this time of year). Only a few spits here so far (7PM) but some unseasonal gusty winds. It does not feel like June! I saw the outdoor heaters on passing a pub a short while ago - been some months since I've seen them. I am hesitant to call it 'cold' as I prefer 'chilly' or 'cool' at this time of year but I have layers on. At least the garden will lap the rain up. hopefully no damage from the forecasted 40-50mph winds (60-70mph on Sth+West coasts)
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
it's like a horrible evening in early October just now. The MObeeb branch in Scotland did give good coverage of the storminess, but skimmed past the large areas with snow icons with nary a mention. STV forecasters did mention the snow in the passing however, but stressed the warmer weather for the weekend.
On 01 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Shaun- Hadley give temps above a 30 year average [the anomaly] but they use the 1961-1990 average and not the more logical 1981-2010 average which shows the uk is cooling. Hadley need to explain this as all the hysterical news reports i see on warming are based on the 1961-1990 average. So they are cherry picking averages along with fiddling the data anyway. Also They use CET to a degree of precision that its creator said shouldn't be used ie they are using it to 0.1 of a degree to show its 'warming' . they are also bolting on current readings they have 'adjusted' from different stations onto the old readings and calling it one thing when it is clearly 2 different sets of data based on different criteria from different stations. FIFA look like saints compared to this lot given billions if not trillions of public money is being used on the basis of their cherry picked 'science'.
On 01 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Fairly windy around 60-65 kph with gusts 11 deg and very wet but Orange warning here in our part of the midlands down-graded to Yellow, I think Dublin among a few others remain on Orange alert..
On 01 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Ron it was mentioned on, Irish Weather Online Community Organisation Face Book page, at the bottom of today's forecast, I think it is run by Peter O'Donnell a Canadian forecaster, I don't have face book else I would send him a message to ask where he sourced his info if you do maybe you could, you can read the fb page if not on fb though, I can't find any other links on my mobile to back it up but I will keep looking..
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
MARIA: do you have a source link to the sea temps off the west coast of Ireland?---JOHN PLANET: much of the western Grampians at 400 metres already have an annual temperature curve not unlike that at sea level in Reykjavik in SW Iceland. A persistently cold westerly flow would only enhance that. Looking at the glaciation extent and distribution in Scotland during the Younger Dryas an underlying cause must have been such a flow of moist cold air.
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
GERRY: Perhaps we should interact more directly with Robert ate the Iceage Now site and help fill in some of the blanks. It's full of useful links for backing up our arguments. Had a good laugh at the Australian Antarctic research unit being compromised by the increasing ice!
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
C.VIEW & CLIVE: Yes, I saw the lunchtime forecast on the Scottish MObeeb. They made no mention of the snow icons at higher altitudes, though they still showed them, albeit in lesser prominence. The winds remain very strong and this means blizzards at Munro height, if not lower.
I remember the snow down to 1500ft in June 1985 and the way even then the MObeeb very grudgingly put snow icons on the charts. Likewise the cold summer of 1993 in the ongoing aftermath of the Pinatubo eruption
On 01 Jun 2015, Gerry Surrey/Kent border 223ft 45d wrote:
Ron - sorry for not linking to Iceagenow. It is a good site for snow news. My only gripe is there is often a post forecasting heavy snow or cold that is not followed up by the outcome if any. Makes it a bit sensationalist as opposed to reporting events. Shaun - there are still those who believe the BBC is impartial or hilariously quote their own whitewash report that said they were Eurosceptic and virtually right-wing climate change deniers. I think we all know where the BBC stand with its entrenched Guardianista left wing views. We can only hope they are closed down but then Cameron might want them to be there to spew forth EU propaganda during the referendum campaign. There may be sun but still little warmth. Chilly wind yesterday evening and again this morning. For SFU fans it has crept up to 94 - still well below the 120 suggested to provide warmth.
On 01 Jun 2015, shaun wrote:
This link is old but some may find it useful as I do to combat those cliche predictable arguments I get thrown at me that 98% of scientists support AGW.
This is an old US Senate Report of 700 highly ranked scientists who challenge AGW, with names, qualifications, positions and reasons why.
Some useful points in here
http://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/_files/USSenateEPWMinorityReport.pdf
On 01 Jun 2015, RichardW (30d sub, Lanarkshire) wrote:
Went to the Zoo at West Calder yesterday - no warmer in the morning than it was when we went to Edinburgh zoo in Feb - I was wearing gloves! 5°C this morning when I left for work at 06:45. Autumnal style Low pressure inbound. Welcome to summer 2015!
On 01 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
I have just seen that the MO have beefed up there weather warning for the next 24hrs saying that the period of very high winds will start sooner, cover a larger area and that peak gusts will be stronger.
On 01 Jun 2015, C View wrote:
RON - It was very telling on the 2230 TV BBC forecast last night that when running their rainfall animation in amongst all the blue there was significant areas of white indicating snowfall but no reference to this was made by the forecaster. This morning around 8am the cloud cleared sufficiently for me to observe that the "Arrochar Alps" had a decent cover of snow, not just a dusting, down to about 750m. Something I don't personally recall having ever seen this far on in the year.
On 01 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Gees I hope we get a bit of heat sometime in this summer though!-)
On 01 Jun 2015, Clive wrote:
John Planet. There have been times in the past like that of 1985 and 1993 where cool unsettled conditions have been associated with persistent winds from Iceland north westerles. It was down to a cool source in the North Atlantic similar to what we have now.
Winds from Iceland could be the order of the day.
On 01 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Yeah Clive was just reading on Irish weather onlines fb forecast that next week is looking more settled but could be rather cool due to wind and an unusually cold Irish Sea, and more generally a colder than normal North Atlantic as sea temps across the entire ocean from Newfoundland to Ireland are running 2-4 deg c below normal they say.
On 01 Jun 2015, John Planet wrote:
Are you suggesting that summer of 2015 is going to be an ICELANDIC SUMMER type sumer for the UK clive?
On 01 Jun 2015, Clive wrote:
State of the Altantic suggests a likelyhood of a summer of frequent bouts of cold northwesterly winds with lost of showers at times.
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Just been on to the MObeeb forecast. The snow icon covers large parts of northern Scotland and is combined with those for strong to gale force wins: June blizzards anyone!!??
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
GERRY: I've now been on the Iceage Now site ( recommended to all WA readers) and had a look at the various websites and would again recommend this to WA readers. The quote from Eric Worral is going to become immortal.
SHAUN: very important observations and comments from you. The most profound impacts on these markedly subnormal temperature are going to be found in those parts of the country with bioclimates of marginality for agriculture and pastoralism. Basically this means the uplands north and west of the Tees-Exe line. Easily observed manifestations can be gleaned from the webcams at the Scottish ski centres. The one at Glencoe that C.VIEW pointed was very useful from this point of view, but it seems to be down at present, however it's still worth a try at: http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/glencoe/mainbasin.jpeg and going into the thumbnail picture sections
On 01 Jun 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
GERRY: can you provide a source for the Australian dilemma in the Antarctic that we could pass on and use in argument?
On 01 Jun 2015, shaun wrote:
Not hearing anything across the media about how significantly below average the temps are.
I mean we didn't stop hearing about the so called above average temps last year, assuming it wasn't bullshit it was on a tiny scale but we have had multiple weeks with up to 5, 7 degrees below average or greater on times.
Looking at the Met Office average high temps for May and June much of the country has been well below.
Quite shockingly below, if we had a large spell like this of 5 degrees below average in winter it would be another 2010, but as its not winter the effects seem to stand out less.
And I hear so many people tell me I'm deluded to think the BBC are bias and selective in their media reportage
On 01 Jun 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Yesterday the morning stayed dryer for longer than I had hoped but showery rain soon came in followed by a sunny spell or 2 more rain and a hail shower then dry again after, temp didn't get much more than 11 deg and felt on the cooler side of that all day with the breeze, down to around 6 overnight. Met have an Orange wind warning up for us in Leinster today other counties Yellow, 8 deg. and cloudy with spots of rain and a wsw breeze picking up at 7.55 a.m
On 01 Jun 2015, richard [subs east mids] wrote:
Piers-write a book about the story and facts so far then you can sell signed copies!
On 01 Jun 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
With a huge dose of irony the Australian Antarctic research station at Mawson is suffering from supply problems due to the amount of ice. The French and Japanese are suffering the same problems. The Australians have said that 3 or 4 more years like this and they would have to consider the future of the station. Antarctic sea ice has increased for the last 3 years setting annual records and has been setting daily records every day for the last 2 weeks. Luckily help is at hand as the writer of the piece pointed out, most models say that Antarctic ice is melting so all that needs to happen is observations need to catch up with the models.
On 31 May 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
7˚C at 7.30, bucketing rain all morning in a strong, mostly W’ly wind, rain only abating around 2pm, max temp 14˚ & feeling more like April. Sunny for the rest of the day, completely clear sky by evening, 5˚ by 10pm, feels as if there could be a frost tonight if the wind doesn’t keep up. == Craig, thanks for pointing to Hubert Lamb, I will try and get a copy of his book, makes fascinating reading.
On 31 May 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Bob Weber .... this whole sfu index thingy. It it just the measure of flux in near-Earth space, or just the solar wind, or a ratio between the two or what? Do they just use land-based solar telescopes, solar satellites or both? .... I need more detail about this theory, which I find absolutely fascinating. Getting the polarity of the Earth wrong in an explanation isn't good enough for me, so I thought I'd increase the pressure on my old and addled grey matter until it hurts. There are points made in this video which I'm sure clash with EU theory, but that doesn't detract from the basic concept. I'm not sure how this would change my views/opinions/beliefs in the nuclear model either, but its a wonderful theory and evidence based too... >>> https://youtu.be/9TOKo7Ik9f8 <<< ....... Question: How will Google judge this video...fact or fiction? >>> https://youtu.be/20yRHABy5Oo <<< When the best minds vehemently disagree over the fundamentals of physical reality, then how do you choose?
On 31 May 2015, Piers_Corbyn - twitter go there wrote:
ALL Thanks for comms. The changing models are not surprising as those who have our WeatherAction BI 40d forecast know. 30d imminent little change. Btw model errors are normally world wide; so extra eg compared to models frontal activity, driven by solar effects they cannot cope with, are worldwide as eg our reports on NZ AUS (thanks L) show == NOTE AND PASS ON 12months ALL forecasts BI, EU, USA for only 5months. Invest in future now! THANKS CRAIG FOR COMM AND DONATION VIA PayPal button contribution. BUY OR CONTRIBUTE Very Vital at this time due to bad delay in expansion deal. Thanks to all in advance! == RUSS yes good point about some delays / extensions of active periods. Partly a westerly flow issue but you are right. Modifications from Slat12a extended a bit post R5 R4 can help. == ALL, BOB WEBER Comms very important re decline in solar activity == REMINDER Invest now in future PASS IT ON!!
On 31 May 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
*desserts lol.. Met here have changed their warm and high temps for next weekend to a possible battle ground now between warm air from the continent and cool westerly's from Atlantic..
On 31 May 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cheers Craig, ' Clotted Cream ' I grew up on that when it used to come in a jam jar with paper an a band on top for 50p! Was delish with fresh strawberries, ah that's one of the things I miss most from moving aside from being very close to the sea and a family member or two, one of which is bringing me our yearly tub or 2 of clotted cream in the summer holidays when they come to stay ;-) can't wait every year I have to diet and exercise before they get here as scones will have to be made and various deserts to use it up, yum can't wait till July! Hoping for a Pasty sneaked in this yr too :) in the meantime back to the Special K! 9 deg. sunny start feels colder with a nw wind and cloud moving in looks like a small window of opportunity to get work done this morn.
On 31 May 2015, C View wrote:
The GFS seems to be, predictably, getting tied in knots. It seems to be predicting some warmth appearing in a week to 10 days but just can't decide where in W Europe B&I it will reach and for how long. I guess this shows that the MIA is confusing the hell out of the system
On 31 May 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
CRAIG.M. yes it has indeed been a different story in terms of growing season in Scotland, and indeed even within northern Scotland. With me in central Highland Perthshire it's been slow, cool and staccato. It's fascinating to see tree species like Balsam Poplar and Sitka Alder from Alaska, along with mid Scandinavian origins of Grey Alder and Aronia from maritime North America do so well compared to more southern and continental species/origins. GFS and Mobeeb both going to for a cool start to the week, with the latter showing snow symbols for the Scottish hills again. Western Norway seems destined to get even more snow. GFS indicating that the warm spell due next weekend will only be of short duration in Scotland withy cool westerlies re-establishing from Sunday. The rest of their forecast period shows quite variable weather.
On 31 May 2015, Andy B 45D Farmer sub SE Wales wrote:
Craig we have had over 6" of rain here in SE Wales about 250' at least 150% of average and a very cold start to our growing season I would say at least 10 days behind. Here is a good article from a US forecaster about the Houston floods.
https://medium.com/@spann/the-age-of-disinformation-98d55837d7d9
On 31 May 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
Overall had a good start to the growing season. Piers long range forecasts have helped me well. I knew what to plant and when. The forecasts have also been perfect for planned days out - from months ahead. Two trips in the past year, one in Sept one in April, were bang on - perfect days for being out and about which is what I was after, but remarkable for their accuracy. Piers has a very good deal on if you want to subscribe. I've just seen what lies ahead this summer which mirror my own thoughts (I have none of the detail of course). Are we in for a 3rd warm July or will the weather of earlier this decade return? It's going to be an interesting summer and June looks to be a contrasting 1st week of the month (according to BBC look ahead) with warmth to come after the cold/wet/wind (wind had bite already this evening). What about after eh?
If you are in area not covered by WeatherAction you can always donate to research to support what Piers does. I just donated myself.
On 31 May 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
...Paddy - dry winds? See the bit by H.H. Lamb. Seems to be a recurring theme in these Islands if you give it enough time ===
https://weatheraction.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/climate-always-changes/ === /// Maria - Ron's answered already, but I have a cherry tree in my garden which is only this year bearing fruit. I found out it needs another tree within ~100ft to pollinate. I was stumped for the species until this year, despite many a look up. I kept saying 'it can't be a fruit tree it has no fruit!' Stupid thing is I should have applied what I knew from my blueberries...but as it was a tree. Local plum trees last had a bumper crop in 2010, too often it rains when they bloom and the insects stay home and it's pitiful come harvest. This year the good April and a steady stream of bees all spring (here at least - further North will be diff) may fill up my jam jars again. It goes wonderfully with clotted cream.
On 31 May 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Thanks Ron and Paddy, cool I'm just being a tad impatient then :-) it hasn't had flowers before, it was only that a friend planted one at the same time and his has flowers this year and considering ours has lots more growth this year I was like where's me flowers!
On 31 May 2015, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
Russ - 'twas indeed me. Provisional CET (till the 29th) is 0C (11.1C). The MetO did a blog the other day (check white parts of map) === http://ow.ly/NEJeZ === Bruce (Xmetman) sums this up well "I was just reading the Met Office news blog “A cold and wet May” and wondered if it may (excuse the pun) be a bit over the top? I would agree it’s certainly not been an overly warm month, and there have been some sharp frosts further north, rainfall north of latitude 53° has also been well above average, but as far as I’m concerned it’s been quite a dry and bright month here in mid-Devon". As per my earlier comments pretty much the same here. In unworked beds clay soil is rock an inch down (not worked enough humus in). Really not enough rain. The MetO blog has Eng @66% av. rainfall. Seems about right. Further North, especially in Scotland it's been quite a different story...
On 30 May 2015, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
7˚C at 7.30, 3˚(!) overnight, bright start but clouds soon moving in on the NW’ly breeze, showers starting before midday and carrying on for most of the afternoon, some of them lengthy and heavy, max temp 16˚, though it felt warmer in sheltered spots when the sun was out. Dramatic cloud formations, watching the rain come down in the distance was first rate entertainment. 9˚C by 10.30pm, feeling milder. Tomorrow looks pretty wet. == Maria, not sure that I can answer your question, except to say that things in nature go like that, they’re reliable for years and then suddenly there is a hiatus. All you can do is wait till next year and see what happens, the flowers might come back. I’m surprised that such a young tree should have flowers at all.
On 30 May 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
Maria: It's a bit of a youngster yet---when you start a tree planting scheme--you have to pretend you're immortal! It'll need a few seasons yet.
On 30 May 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Was also wondering why our really healthy looking 5/6 year old Horse Chestnut tree has no flowers? Paddy or Ron any ideas was thinking maybe the frost got to it or is it too young? but it looks grand has grown a lot the last couple of years just absent of flowers unlike the ones we see at the park the other day..
On 30 May 2015, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A small bit of sunshine to start but soon clouded over, managed to jump onto a flower bed and weed like crazy chuck some mulch about and jump back off before the showers got going, rain really set in by late aft/early eve max temp 13 deg. high humidity with a sse breeze around 27kph still raining though lighter now and 11 deg. at 8pm
On 30 May 2015, Bob Weber USA N Mich subscriber wrote:
What the warmists don't know is going to hurt them badly, as people around the world are already noticing the lack of warmth or cold in both hemispheres. In the US, we haven't had much consistent warmth of any duration yet this spring, except in the southern and middle states. The timing of the solar slowdown is working out in our favor so far this year. The Sun rotates once every 27 days, so as a check on activity, I look back that number of days, and compare to today and future solar forecasts from the USAF and the SWPC. Yesterday, the USAF's 45-day F10.7cm forecast was at an average of 106 sfu/day. ~27 days after the 163sfu peak May 11/12, June 8/9, USAF called for F10 to be 115 sfu, with an Ap of 25 (geomagnetic forecast). Which means if those same active regions come back around at that level after only one rotation, we are definitely on an early slide to under 120 sfu/day on a monthly basis, my empirically determined threshold for SST warming/cooling. May will end close to 120.
On 30 May 2015, Bob Weber USA N Mich subscriber wrote:
Gerry, the ocean can only emit what it has received. The solar energy it received prior to & over the duration on this El Nino has peaked. Solar energy reaches into the depths maximally within the first 100-150 meters, whereupon the heat deposited there at depth begins coursing back to the surface. SSTs are therefore a function of today's solar flux, and previous months of solar flux, as modulated by latitude, season, cloudiness, and circulation. F10.7cm peaked this month at 163 sfu May 11/12, during a 13d stretch when its ave was 146 sfu/day (after 8 days averaging 107) water vapor plumes off the Pacific and Indian Oceans really took off. As F10.7 dropped for 13 days until now, ave @ 102 sfu/day, the evaporation diminished. It took time for early May solar blasted vapor to make it north to land, and when it did, well, it definitely made Piers' forecast detail work out! Solar weather effects are time dependent & layered, incl. solar driven polar windy cold blasts, w/lunar modulation.
On 30 May 2015, Russ NE Derbyshire wrote:
Piers... I 've pointed out before that in my area your forecasts very often run a day or two beyond the forecast dates. I'm left wondering if there is sort of echo of the event? Could it be that these knock-on effects of the R4/R5 period, cause secondary, similar forecast details, so someone in Exeter may see the forecast detail on-time but someone in Halifax may miss it, then see a repeat of the detail 2 days later? This way, many of your subscribers, depending in which part of the country they reside, might misinterpret your forecast details, because the topology of their area tends to favour the echo detail instead of the on-time detail. So they could think that you get the detail wrong more often than not.
On 30 May 2015, Gerry 45d 223ft Kent-Surrey border wrote:
Missing persons: We seem to have lost Saskia from Friesland and Gill from E Sussex lately. Such a shame as both contributed well to the sharing of information. I hope all is well with them both and that they return at some point. ENSO/Bob: So Bob, are you saying that a continued low solar flux will put an end to the El Nino that the warmists are pinning their hopes on to justify a treaty in Paris to ruin the World economy? Good news obviously if another of their straws is snatched away. On the solar issue, spaceweather has a comment about the number of filaments that have been appearing recently - any background on if this is good, bad or what effect it might have? The rain became showery yesterday and cleared to give a bright moonlit night. More cloud around and another warm day with a breeze to keep it from getting hot.
On 30 May 2015, east side wrote:
And now, the next stage is a HEATWAVE.
Already farmers in Russia claiming an absence of rainfall may drive a 25% dip in grain production in 2015, a late may heatwave in Moscow into Ural..which will be followed by frigid air the week after from the polar regions again.
Then finally next, confirmation of a massive heatwave to hit France in the late part of next week, with temperatures from 32-36C arriving, while the JS goes south from the UK, driving alternatively waves of warm humid air, then cold northerly air up and down nearby Scandinavia.
With such a late spring/cold temperatures there's NO MOSQUITOES currently in the Baltic states, a very unusual feature for this time of year.
On 30 May 2015, Ron Greer wrote:
C.VIEW that's a photo worth 10,000 words!. It typifies the current situation so well. It's amazing just how much snow there is even in hills of lesser stature. With AMO predicted to be negative( see Iceage Now) for quite a while, we may well see this last the summer.
On 30 May 2015, @Piers_Corbyn wrote:
HELLO TO ALL ON NEW THREAD, 30May... With Amazing 12months for only 5 deal (brief) marking success of Slat 12a this deal includes 100d ahead forecasts. PASS IT ON! Thank you
On 30 May 2015, C View wrote:
Late May Cold well confirmed as this picture showing old existing snow and some fresh on top.
http://www.winterhighland.info/cams/glencoe/mainbasin.jpeg
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