On 09 Oct 2014, Fred wrote:
Hi, currently being monitored on other weather sites is the OPI - October Pattern Index. This is the measuring of the October Hemispheric pattern at 500hPa. It appears to have a high correlation with the AO - Arctic Oscillation during December, January, February. The more negative the OPI the more likely the winter AO will be negative ie High Latitude Blocking will be prevalent increasing chances of a cold winter. Its currently running at minus 3.5,very deep negative territory. For me this is driven by the sun, Piers can you assist or provide your thoughts on this.
On 08 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
Steve - looking forward to the new Ice Road Truckers as it will cover last winter's circumpolar vortex mega cold. You have to love the Polar Bear and Pork Chop was an amusing addition while he lasted. Meanwhile, antarctic ice sets yet another record extent. Another shower passed across London early evening and at 10pm there are some clear spells with the moon shining through but some light rain in the air.
On 08 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Lots of rain overnight, some of it very heavy, floods round Inverness, train disruptions etc, from the radar it was apparent that the rain hardly moved. Rain here until 8am, brilliant sunshine all day thereafter, 8˚C at 7.30, nudging up only to 13˚, though more in full sun, shirt sleeve conditions but cool in the shade, 9˚ at 10pm. Butterflies out again, mostly admirals, we've had swarms of them feeding on rotten apples under the tree & elderberries. Amazing how that pesky Low is milling around BI.
On 08 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
OK maybe I don't want it to come this way, the downside almost 20,000 without power in Southern Ireland this eve. one bolt went through someone's roof but luckily no one hurt, high tides and scared children at school run this p.m due to the intensity of storm... ties in with WA forecast -/+ a day, the R3 def. packed a punch in Ireland this period...
On 08 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cork and Waterford have had more intense lightning and thunder all day again, wish their storms would come this way :| Heavy rain after last post earlier, oh there is hope my app is suggesting lightning possible and has thunderstorm written above the 13 deg. sign will be sat like an iriot waiting now all eve. just in-case
!-)
On 08 Oct 2014, steven glossop wrote:
Hi Piers, just a quick response to a good comment made by Rob about the BBC finally admitting something else does control climate apart from CO2. I think Rob we have to be careful with the BBC they seem to have a nasty habit to knock things down again... Meaning actually its not... Its CO2 after all! Lets see what they say next.
On 08 Oct 2014, james blakely wrote:
Anyone know what space weather is? presumbaly not the rain, wind, snow we get on planet earth.
On 08 Oct 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
I love Ice Road Truckers Gerry, although I think "Art" has Turrette's Syndrome. Lisa Kelly is a trooper though! Sunny spells and breezy here in Canary Wharf, E London right now...heavy showers all around us on the radar though, intense over Wales and SW England especially...
On 08 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
V wet this morning but drying up during the commute and sunny spells appearing in London although a heavy shower has just passed through from west to east. So the Met are trying to forecast space weather now? As I said when that was first announced - will it be any better than their lame earth efforts. As it sounds like a rival to Spaceweather it will be worth seeing how it compares, given their penchant for missed forecasts. The Brian Cox programme was roasted by the critic in The Mail this morning as being nonsense - I didn't have to stomach to watch it given the warmist agends of both channel and presenter. More warnings of cold weather damaging crop yields in both US and Kazakhstan on Iceagenow. Snow due in Alaska to affect the Ice Road Truckers Dalton Highway with winter warnings being given. It is only autumn even there so again early.
On 08 Oct 2014, Rob wrote:
Prof Brian Cox on a programme on BBC2 last night demonstrated the link between big changes in the earth's climate and evolution. The climate changes brought about by the wobble in the earth's orbit. So a BBC programme acknowledges something other than co2 can alter climate!!!!!
On 08 Oct 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29525154
Well Piers, it appears the Met Office are finally "opening a new forecast centre dedicated to space weather...designed to protect the UK's economy and infrastructure from severe events caused by space weather...The term describes the disruptive influence that activity on the Sun can have on Earth..."
Have they finally caught on to what you've been saying for YEARS?!?
Collaborate or compete???
On 08 Oct 2014, Lorraine G wrote:
I have farmed for the last 30 years we have an outdoor pig herd we used to have many ground nesting birds on fallow land that was not used for the pigs,we still have a few Sky Larks but I have noticed that the Lap Wings have completely disappeared since the Buzzards arrived. I do get fed up with the RSPB blaming farming practices which have actually changed for the better because of grass strips in front of hedges and water courses and many farmers have areas specially seeded for the birds,farmers also are not allowed to cut hedges until the birds have fledged. In my opinion there are now to many raptors and magpies which have affected the delicate balance of nature as they have no enemies apart from man who is not allowed to cull them.
On 08 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Dark rainy start around 8 deg. 11 now @ 11.18 and rain has stopped for the time being, a lot of cloud around more rain to come I believe. Heard they have had some pretty intense thunderstorms yesterday eve/ overnight in Cork and Waterford. Paddy thanks yes buzzards I believe after listening on-line. ( Bird sounds and weather have made me sleepy :-)
On 08 Oct 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. A bit chilly & dank again this morning. Was really pouring first thing but has stopped now & there is a glimpse of watery, pale blue sky. It was bright & sunny yesterday but temp only reached 15 degs here & felt cooler because of the stiff breeze. Currently 13 degs with more rain predicted throughout the day.
On 08 Oct 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK. Sub wrote:
Yes i remember seeing the rspb ideologues running around tracking buzzards when they introduced them around here in dorset now you see them all over, i once counted 14 in one freshly ploughed field getting at the worms, i hear them flying overhead mewing as they play in the wind nice sight but they need a good cold harsh winter to keep the numbers down.
Heavy showers this morning temp 12c at 6am.
On 08 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine ... I have monitored some high ground about 7 miles from us for over 30 years. Mostly rough grassland mixed with monoculture forest and old deciduous woodland and a little heather moorland for good measure. Perfect skylark habitat. I have seen the numbers change dramatically over that 30 year period, yet the land and local farming methods haven't changed at all. The only big change was the killing of all the buzzards when the foot & mouth outbreak occurred, and public access was restricted (no witnessess). Why the numbers suddenly increase, then 5 years later decrease is a mystery, but if they do overwinter in Europe, then the 'pickled dickybirds in a jar' might go some way to explaining the variations in population. Ripping out hedgerows and destruction of gorse, was devastating to our local breeders like yellowhammers, dunnocks, goldfinches and linnets, so yes, some farming methods, in some areas, are not bird friendly.
On 08 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More wild weather in NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/10592165/Blustery-rainy-day-for-many. Currently dry, warm, sunny and windy here.
On 07 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Remarkable to see how the Low that gave us all the wind and rain yesterday is now moving westwards, hemmed in by Highs on 3 sides, this is exactly as Piers indicated on Euro Pressure Maps for the period of 5th - 8th Oct. What was also remarkable yesterday was the complete stillness in the evening, as if nothing at all had happened. 11˚C at 7.30, showers off & on all morning, drier interlude in afternoon, rain again by 4pm, some really heavy downpours. Max temp 13˚, down to 9˚ by 9pm and with a strengthening W wind, MO still giving a yellow wind warning for NE Scotland. == Maria Ireland, the birds of prey you saw are likely to have been buzzards, going by your description. Look up 'buzzard call' or similar on the net and you'll be able to compare.
On 07 Oct 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
glorious dry day and no showers here where I live. Sun blazing in, 16 degrees out and we get solar heating, so windows open all day and t shirts worn. We directed all rain straight into the harvester, while it rained. Spot on and well forecasted by WA. This has been so enabling for us. Washing done, tank full, garlic planted, all according to the oct forecast and I am smiling
On 07 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
13 deg. And warm in the sun, saw a beautiful sight today when working in the garden made my day, a group of five birds of prey flew gracefully over the sky above me, one making a calling sound as they slowly flew over like 3 high pitched calls each lasting for a couple of seconds decreasing in sound as it did it, brown in colour wide tail feathers one larger one medium and three smaller birds, I'm short sighted but could see there wings moving slowly and legs pulled up under but couldn't quite make out but thinking Kestrels maybe?
On 07 Oct 2014, Michael wrote:
Hello Nigella,
Here in the Brecon Beacons we are also waiting for WA October to begin.I keep my neighbouring farmer informed 2 weeks ahead as he is struggling very much as a hill farmer here.1200 feet altitude.He look at me a little whimsical early this morning with temp.at 3C
On 07 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Brrr 1 deg. @ 7a.m this morning, with a slight grass frost in places on the lawn and a small bit of ice on the outside upstairs hall velox, should have lit the wood boiler last night went to sleep with a jumper n socks! 6 deg. @ 10 a.m 8 now 10.50, mostly sunny with clear blue sky beautiful autumn day..
On 07 Oct 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. Cool & wet overnight. Overnight low of 8 degs & 11mm of rain yesterday. Rained in the early hours of this morning but has cleared now & is sunny. Quite breezy so feels chilly. Current temp of 9 degs. Short term forecast is going for more unsettled weather up to the weekend. I am keeping my fingers crossed for the WA forecast.
On 06 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Craig you've summed it up totally! Nice one!
Stayed mostly dry today except for a few mins of drizzle on a few occasions, overcast this afternoon, looked a little stormy across the way, but thought nothing of it until I had shinned part way up a tree to get the remaining ivy off that I had cut earlier in the season to stop it choking the tree and a huge rumble of thunder boomed! I got down very quickly but no more followed, reached 13 today, chilly again tonight Saying 8 deg. But feels colder think it's going to be our coldest one tonight by morning. Ps Hope Piers is ok he has been quiet of late...
On 06 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
11˚C at 7.30, relatively mild but feeling cold in the strong S wind which gradually turned into a gale, with the strongest gusts between 11 & 12, one of our tunnel doors blew in at that point, fortunately I was present and able to remedy it right away. Such extremes are always good for showing up weak points in structures, putting a positive spin on it. It rained moderately and steadily from about 9am onwards until 5pm. I have to say I'm a bit surprised at the ferocity of it all, but I suppose an R3 can still pack a punch. 12˚ max, down to 10˚ by 10 pm and feeling mild in total stillness, not a breath of wind. == Craig: yes, Big Oil & Big Green are truly disgusting bedfellows. And then the Greens accuse us of being financed by Big Oil, helpmaboab!
On 06 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
...cont...okay their intentions may be 'good' but so apparently were the intentions to bomb Iraq or before that imposing sanctions which killed (hundreds of) thousands of children. Nothing is worse than 'good Intentions' devoid of compassion for our fellow man or creatures. All greens do is allow mass slaughter and pillage of the things we have spent centuries defending. I am angry with the left and right for their ideological idiocy in being useful puppets to screw up my child's future. Climate is beyond political divisions and the sooner we understand that the sooner sanity may return. It means clean air (not pea soupers) and custodianship of our shared future & environment. These scumbags don't want us to love life but feel some quasi religious guilt that we are even here, that we are a plague. No we are not. The only unwanted virus is the evil that spreads inhumanity. We cannot love the environment if we hate each other-we are afterall part of that environment.
On 06 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
...cont...Naomi Klein has air miles most of us 'Koch funded deniers' could only dream of. Greenpeace execs take a jet to work (from a tax haven...hmm). I am so sick of these green hypocrites being given the oxygen of publicity. We climate realists/sceptics are the poor cousins. Greens have a higher carbon footprint (it's mainly an age thing as sceptics are mostly older with less disposable income to waste on the latest gadgets to fight 'deniers'). They are like an AA meeting run by Family Guy's Peter Griffin-lunatics in charge of the asylum. I am so sick of their crass hypocrisy & inhumanity to the rest of the world. It is selfish, despicable & disgusting. Nothing stinks quite like the 'we know better' hypocrisy of ideologues doing it 'for our own good'. As a former warmist I denounce the blooming lot of them for being the most narcissistic, self centred pieces of ditrius know to modern civilisation. They do not care for an environment to which they are ignorant. ..
On 06 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
Earlier comment was regarding 'infinitesimal' (i.e. when you keep halving a number you do not reach zero, no matter how small the number is - e.g. 'infinitesimal' is what impact co2 has on climate).//
Some really good comms. I get the feeling what we need is a new green movement devoid of the left wing anti-capitalist ideology. Climate has been hijacked by idealogues, evidenced well by the 'Climate March' last month & by Naomi Klien's recent book which accepts 'big green' is a sham but shows major gullibility by believing the green 'scientists' propagating the fear are anything but an extension of the same interests - so activists masquerading as scientists who still hold to the 6C per century warming per century is viable. They are useful dupes of Big Oil & Big Green. They shape debate leaving anyone rational on the sideline, demanding more sacrifices which they (as high priests & chosen believers) are excluded from....
On 06 Oct 2014, Andy B 45D Farmer sub SE Wales wrote:
33 mm of rain overnight 45 so far this month
Re skylarks we still have some on this farm but I think one of the reasons for the fall in numbers is the increase in raptors (Buzzards and Hawks) they are to blame for the decline of a lot of the small birds.
On 06 Oct 2014, Lorrainr wrote:
From Lorraine : my point re skylarks and previous post of dried up lake in Kazakstan is that the detrimental affects of these changes are made by man in relation to farming methods. In other words some climate change supporters could say the lake dried because of little rain but they leave out the fact that if farms had not diverted the water the lake would still be intact. Also for the skylark the RSPB could say skylarks have diminished due to seasonal weather when the main culprit is landowners not doing enough to allow grasses to grow long all spring and summer. I don't think we as a human race are doing enough to keep a sustainable planet. It is easy to blame a poor season when actually if we had been better at managing then the planet will be fine long term.
On 06 Oct 2014, Sue H (N.Ireland) wrote:
Very windy last night and we were not really expecting it as bad. At 3am my husband got up to assess the wooden climbing frame, and as he went into the garage to get a mallet to hammer it in further with metal prongs, the whole thing toppled. Good job he was inside at the time as it could have injured him when it fell. That incidentally is the 3rd time in the last 9 months. In the last 6 years it only fell once in strong winds previous to this year. Must be a wild jet stream! Incidentally we were flying back to Belfast yesterday from Stansted and got in fine, although I saw one flight from Gatwick diverted to Edinburgh, and the Ryanair flights to cork were diverted to Dublin! Glad we got home early, cos I would have hated to have been in the air!
On 06 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
The weather over the weekend on The Downs was a wet start to Saturday with a strong wind from the NW. Cleared through during the day but was much cooler than of late. With clear skies it was one of the coolest nights of late. Clear day on Sunday with still some warmth in the sun. Clouding over during the night to give rain moving in just at the end of my commute. Some heavier rain in London but is now dry but overcast. Iceagenow has lots of reports of early snow in some places with records being broken while over here the warmists have made more adjustments to the Hadcrut temp record. Need you ask which way they went?
On 06 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
'Consensus' in the 17thC & the mindset that defends it....
"the mathematical struggle culminated in a very public, two-decade feud between John Wallis, the Oxford don who originated the iconic infinity symbol, and political essayist Thomas Hobbes, the author of "Leviathan." Hobbes saw Euclidean geometry as a structural model of a stable society, in which a set of inviolable rules dictates human behavior—rules to be ruthlessly enforced by the state. Wallis advocated the opposite: Just as knowledge of the physical world is subject to objective evidence and evolving consensus, so too must social and political institutions exhibit the open-mindedness to tolerate dissenting opinions." ===
http://wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303380004579521490104668518
On 06 Oct 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. Mixed bag. Sat 4th was rainy until late afternoon, with 10mm of rainfall. Cleared in the evening & there was a chilly overnight low of 4 degs. Sunday was a lovely, dry, sunny day with top temp of 16. All change again this morning with heavy rain again on a fairly brisk south westerly breeze. Current temp is 12 degs. Short term forecast seems to be suggesting on going changeability with weather systems coming in off the Atlantic.
On 06 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Partly cloudy chilly 8 deg @ 9.19 a.m with a light breeze, some blue sky and sunshine, didn't hear much more wind last night after last post started decreasing, a lot of leaves on the road this morning but doesn't appear to have been bad enough to cause any minor damage around us, they had some thunder and lightning in cork I believe and the real wind gust for Roches point was 115.3 kph I think in the end I read this morn. Hope to get back outside today looks like a good day in store compared to yesterday to work outside.
On 06 Oct 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
Russ, the skylarks are doing just fine around here and that is on arable farmland with strips of headlands left around the sides etc, as for EU poop that we get by the train load but this time it comes in as rules and regs, i ride my bicycle and have seen skylarks all winter long here, not that i go out when the weather is rough. Nothing better than seeing these birds floating in a blue sky singing as they float up and down singing all the time.
Not nice here at the moment wind and rain with a temp of 12c
Cats said can i go out but when they saw the rain said no thanks and are sat looking out at the weather.
On 06 Oct 2014, Jez wrote:
"On 05 Oct 2014, Lorraine wrote:
In reply to Russ in the 1960s on my fathers farm we had skylarks in spring nesting in the meadows now there are absolutely none zilch this is due to more aggressive farming methods especially in France'
The BBC have them all - have you not noticed?
Every time there's a countryside scene there's always a skylark warbling away in the background. (No matter what sort of countryside they're in!)
I suspect that there's special skylark trailer on every BBC film set full of them - when the jobs done the birds all probably all migrate to Nice in France and the Casino's top spend their appearance fees!
On 06 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine Re: skylarks. I have seen the skylark numbers rise and fall, and I agree that changes to farming methods have played a big part, but one of the biggest hurdles in understanding why is the misleading info coming from the RSPB and BTO. I thought for many years that skylarks over-wintered in France. then flooded back into Britain in the spring. Apparently that's rubbish, and skylarks winter in Britain. That's not caused by global warming mind you, but that nugget of important info seems to have been missed by the people who do the surveys and monitor migration patterns. Who do we believe? I just had a thought...ooer! What do organic farms do for poop to spread on the fields after an outbreak of foot & mouth. and half the cattle in Britain are slaughtered, and severe restrictions are put in place? Do we import European poop? Maybe just water it down a bit so it goes futher?
On 06 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
5.1 quake in the North island today http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10584828/5-1-quake-rattles-North-Island. More on today's weather and predictions for the next few days http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10582273/Storm-lashes-lower-North-Island. All this in an R3 period.
On 06 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
The wild weather continues in NZ http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11337652. Windy here too but not as bad as the North Island.
On 06 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Wind and rain increasing again @ midnight here sounds very gusty..
On 05 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Sorry that was 104kph gust @ Cork mean speed was 44 kph I think and 80 kph with 117 gust @ Roches Point just reported..
On 05 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Has been really windy last few hours roof tiles rattling on the shed at times & wind howling down the chimney, trees swaying lots more leaves swirling around now! worse on the coasts Cork airport reported 104 kph I believe around 10 p.m raining more now @ 11 p.m though not constantly heavy rain here as yet, temp. 13deg. Nice to listen to at night when your not out in it..
On 05 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
4˚C at 7.30, slight air frost again under a fairly clear sky, quite a sunny morning but then clouding over, max temp 12˚, down to 11˚ by 10pm, by which time the S wind had picked up a bit. MO's yellow wind warning still in force for tomorrow, we'll se how much that will amount to; also heavy raind forecast, again, we'll see how much of that will get to us. Talked to our neighbour tonight who was very happy at having got all their barley harvest in and baling done in the good weather this past week, earlier than usual.
On 05 Oct 2014, Lorraine wrote:
In reply to Russ in the 1960s on my fathers farm we had skylarks in spring nesting in the meadows now there are absolutely none zilch this is due to more aggressive farming methods especially in France
On 05 Oct 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
low of 5 early morning and 15 now at 5pm. A good day with some sun and little breeze, loads of washing out early and now dry. Allotment tidying, cabbages looking great after rain yesterday. Am ready to store lots of extra water this week, harvester is 80% full and butts will also be filled this week, as they are good for topping up the harvester (if needed of course during the next couple of months). MetO and solar climate http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2780617/Met-Office-open-space-weather-centre-measure-solar-climate-earth-dependent-technology.html
On 05 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Cleaned chickens out this a.m while the weather was overcast and dry, a chilly 7deg. start, started raining around lunch time and since, 12 deg. at 4 p.m. Wind increasing feels like autumn is here now! Met.ie have us in Laois a yellow status wind warning + many other counties with south east winds of 45-60 km/hr sun.eve. + night with gusts up to 85-100 km/hr, also yellow rain warning 25-40 mm expected for the whole country and Orange wind warning highest for coastal areas. Off to get in some logs and light the fire :-)
On 05 Oct 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
STEVE: regarding bridge tolls, we had the same daft arguments before all tolls on Scottish bridges were removed and now traffic flows and queues have improved---we just need more bridges!
On 05 Oct 2014, Steve Devine (sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Mostly clear blue skies this fine autumn Sunday morning. Dew on the grass, slight frost on the car rooftops (it was 5c here overnight). Now climbing to 12c at midday and for me this is perfect weather. Not too hot, not too cold. Low sun of an evening will cause issues for those ditching the sunglasses while driving though, so take care out there folks. Looking at the GFS models and Jet Stream outlook, it looks like being a particularly turbulent week with the Jet Stream buckling back on itself right over the UK. Strong winds tomorrow PM especially with a band of heavy rain, Low Pressure spinning close to Ireland for the entire week ahead. Piers - this situation seems to throw the Euro pressure charts out of alignment for the forthcoming weekend. Do you think this will have implications downstream? Hopefully not another "Bertha" situation.
On 05 Oct 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
Well as october goes the weather is performing ok as far as i am concerned, this morning was sparkling sunshine and 2c low with a ground frost in places locally. By the way i saw this word used for certain types of people who espouse the warmist theory it is" liarist" another new word which say,s a lot about the warmist religion.
On 05 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
More rough weather for NZ as the R3 comes in http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10581409/Gales-and-rain-round-two
On 05 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Sun was out all morning which was nice, became overcast around lunch with a little drizzle, reached only 13 today, brightened up later this afternoon then temps dropped again, a lovely starry evening with some cloud moving in now and 7 deg. @ midnight...
On 04 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Rain throughout the night, occasionally heavy, stopping only around 2pm. Feeling much cooler today, 8˚C at 7.30, rising only to 10˚ in a W breeze. As the rain front retreated, the sun came out in the afternoon and gave the day a pleasant end with clear skies & dropping temps: 5˚ only at 9.30pm, so a frost is likely. == Regarding the present quiet solar period, I was a bit surprised by the persistence and duration of the rain in the last 24 hrs; the fact that there was no wind overnight meant that the rainfall moved very slowly. On the Euro Pressure Maps Piers did show that the cold front that passed W-E over us yesterday and today was going to move back westwards; what happened was that it merely slowed down. MO is giving a yellow wind warning for Monday - this will be another interesting one to watch as Piers says differently.
On 04 Oct 2014, Steve (sub) wrote:
Russ and Steve great points - it all boils down to logical thinking: fail to do that and governments can easily do awful things "in plain view" of us mugs.
Never before have we had such an easy time (with 't interweb) when checking something but public ignorance seems about the same as ever!
Another example : many people here, opposed removing the toll on our bridge (and 2 others) and "adopting" them into the general road network.
Their argument went " remove the tolls and the traffic will get far far worse". Logic says no (unless there is some "pool" of idle people who would be out all day crossing it if their motoring was £1 cheaper).
Well they removed the toll and - guess what - no change in traffic levels.
Moral (as with weather "gurus") never just gloss over the facts or blindly trust something - check it, prove it.
On 04 Oct 2014, WENDY wrote:
Sub. High Peak Derbyshire .
Heavy rain all morning.Clearing up now with a stiff breeze and occasional glimpses of the sun.Temp.14 degrees.Hard to believe it was 22 in Cheshire yesterday!
Garden shed being painted in preparation for winter.It seems to be drying well in the wind!
On 04 Oct 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
1pm and we have had the much needed rain, from 6 am to 10.30 but was sustained. Beautiful and sunny now, 15 and climbing. Another gorgeous afternoon ahead
On 04 Oct 2014, JohnE wrote:
I am absolutely no scientist and do not profess to understand what is happening to our climate but it is changing and this article from Ice Age Now is very interesting indeed
http://iceagenow.info/2014/10/climate-science-settled-headline-wall-street-journal/
On 04 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
A good bit of rain yesterday, drizzle mixed with the odd heavier downpour on and off all day, some dryer intervals inbetween too, mild and humid 17deg. then a cooler evening 11 deg, 6 this morning and blue sky and sunshine with the odd cloud around, so tired but just have to get outside today while it's nice..
On 04 Oct 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) wrote:
A mild but cloudy start here just north of London. Just watching the rain band slowly creep towards us from the west. Am not looking forward to going outside later to support Leyton Orient lol!
On 04 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
A cold day across NZ with a lot of snow in the south Island and central North Island http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/10579917/Rites-of-spring-carry-a-stingposthttp://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-/10580424/Hail-hits-lower-North-Island. Plenty of snow on the hills here (Tasman District) and in Nelson City as per photo in Nelson Mail. Now forecasting strong south westerlies for the incoming R3 tomorrow.
On 03 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Amazingly mild compared to yesterday morning: 14˚C at 7.30, stiff SW wind which had been blowing all night. Looking at the radar I could see that there was a lot of heavy rain in the West but that didn't reach us during the day, apart from some light drizzle. But now at 20:45 I see that the rain bearing front went NW to SE and is now coming back up north, presumably bumping into the Continental High, looks as though we might get rather a lot of water after all, remarkable contrast to Somerset. 14˚ all day and now down to 10˚ in the light rain which started around 7pm.
On 03 Oct 2014, Gerry (annual) wrote:
Pleasant day here in south Essex, conservatory recorded 30c largely because roof lights are closed, tend to leak in heavy rain.
Now into fourth month of picking raspberries, keep saying to wife that's the last but they keep coming.
Still picking french climbing beans albeit rather small now. Any real drop in temperature overnight will see them gone.
Currently near clear skies with a few high clouds. Temp 16c @ 17:20.
On 03 Oct 2014, Maria 45day sub somerset wrote:
5 pm and 19.7 in the shade, 75% humidity and 1022 mb pressure. Feels nice and fresh now and has been a glorious, bearable day. All tanks empty of water, including the water harvester, so now on mains water for washing machine and loos. Am hoping for some rain soon. Some farmers locally have changed their crops to easier to manage barley. Allotment is tricky at the moment, whitefly is having a field day. I can hear farm machinery, they are obviously putting something down before the rain and cluster flies are diving for cover around windows, ready to come out in a whoosh after winter
On 03 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
The irony of Jungle Atlantis will be totally lost on the warmist BBC. Another nice day after some early morning fog on leaving The Downs. Be grateful for our benign weather as iceagenow reports a new minimum temp record for Vladivostok and more early snowfall. Florida may see a rapid temp drop by the end of the weekend. Michigan's wine grape crop has been halved by the cold winter. This is the 5th largest production area and contributes $300m to the local economy. One large producer is changing the variety of grapes grown to one more suited to cooler temperatures.
On 03 Oct 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. So another warm one yesterday with temps reaching 23 degs. Overnight low of 14 degs with very heavy fog this morning. Currently a pleasant 21 degs with hazy blue sky & a few cumulus on the westerly breeze. Short term forecast suggests a change coming through overnight. Fresher air and a drop of rain would be welcome.
On 03 Oct 2014, DAVID ROWE wrote:
Hi Piers & All, On BBC2 last night a programme called Jungle Atlantis which asked how a large city built in Cambodia 500 years ago had a dramatic collapse. It was the world's greatest metropolis abandoned to the jungle. Using tree rings they discovered it's downfall was caused by climate change, with decades of drought followed by severe rainfall which eventually destroyed their canal systems .No mention of coal fired power plants at all.
On 03 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Despite a cold start yesterday and overcast morning the afternoon turned out pleasent enough to get some outside work done, some sunny spells and clearer sky with light wind but temps didn't get any higher than 16. Yesterday A.M Mullingar reported a min. Air temp. Of -0.4 deg Shannon Airport 2nd on +1.5, Dublin +2.1 but a grass temp of -2 reporting a slight ground frost. overcast and mild wet start today drizzle now @ 9.00 a.m 16 deg. met.ie put up a yellow status yesterday for today for heavy rain for some areas..
On 03 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
A cold day across NZ with gales, rain, hail and snow in some places, a result of the R4 1/2 Oct. Not looking great for the next few days either. Looks like one R period will run into another here despite two days in between. As usual the media tell us its a return to winter rather than admit that spring (especially Oct) is the most changeable season in NZ.
On 02 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
4˚C at 7.30, car roof white with frost, grass also in parts of our wood. Pretty still at first but then a SSW wind got up and became stronger as the day wore on, a real autumn day with leaves swirling around in the air and on the ground. It was quite sunny but the temperature never reached more than 15˚, back down to 11˚ by 10pm under a partly cloudy sky, with the half moon low on the horizon in the SW. MO is saying heavy rain for tomorrow; I wonder how much of this is going to materialise here as we will be in a NSF (no solar factors) period from tomorrow.
On 02 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
More humourous outpourings about the arctic being ice-free by summer 2016 courtesy of the US Navy. Apparently their Regional Arctic System MODEL is the most advanced and accurate. Doesn't give you much hope for the rest then if this one can't see the trend of increasing summer ice starting from 2007 (ignoring the unusual low 2012 due to the storm system). And the DMI has this arctic summer as among the four coldest on record and all are within the last 6 years - odd unless cold causes ice to melt now. Still, at least we don't have long to ask the US Navy how it's going. Perhaps somebody could do a video call from the arctic ice. And because we aren't cherry-picking warmists here, the DMI records only go back as far as 1958. Not a great length but given all this warming we are supposed to be having recently, the four coldest in the last 6 years is a bit inconvenient.
On 02 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
Russ as a further point, the whole carbon market is anti-competition & is clearly not of benefit to society as we are not reducing pollution (co2 is not a pollutant) & actively harms the population as many must decide to 'heat or eat'. Gvts actively manipulate the market by subsidies & buying credits=creating an artificial market. Who pays for this? We do.Who benefits? We don't.
==="Anti-competitive agreements can include price-fixing, limiting production to drive up prices, agreeing not to sell to a competitor’s customers.
These agreements can be formal or informal and may include ‘shared understandings’,‘concerted practices’ or ‘gentleman’s agreements’ where businesses cooperate or act together.
You should also report businesses that abuse a dominant market position - eg by offering unfair prices to customers or suppliers, refusing to supply, or limiting production." ===
http://www.gov.uk/competition-law-unfair-pricing-agreements
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On 02 Oct 2014, Steve,Dorset,UK sub wrote:
Hi from sunny Dorset.....
Well said Russ, A lot of sensible comments in your rant, i quite agree about the cameron slight of hand i for one will not take him up on his offer of voting for his brand of socialism.
As for a gas railway system can you see them even getting there heads around that one, they did not see that removing the railway system like they did showed no common sense at all and was short term stupidity, you can see where this rubbish about global warming is coming from.
What ever was craig350 saying about december, what made his jaw drop,are we in fore a heatwave then ummmmm.
Nice day now the sun has just appeared, it was 13c at 5am today.
On 02 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Chilly last night and this morning started @ 6 deg. Today 15/16 now at midday, mostly cloudy but the sun is trying to shine through...
On 02 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
And while I have my soap-box out......all these new diesel trains. Everyone on todays platforms no longer has to suck in the dirty steam loco particulates but instead sucks in diesel particulates. Gas is far cheaper! Gas is far cleaner! Gas is far healthier! Gas creates far less SO2 and NO2. So why the heck don't the train companies start using gas to run their trains for gawdsakes??? I would no longer get burning nostrils and asthma-like wheezing, or an increased chance of lung cancer, while I wait for my train......
On 02 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Steve...thanks for reminding me. Re: more roads equals more cars equals hypothetic nonsense! Indeed, and as anyone who regularly travels through the M1 carpark between Watford and Leicester knows, the existing road network was never designed for todays levels of traffic. They rip up branch lines and deplete freight rolling stock to force goods onto the road network, because it sells more oil (causes congestion). There's talk of electrifying, at least the mainlines, across Britain, and using all-electric freight trains to move containers around the country. Great idea. Now lets wait 50 years to see it all come to fruition. Lest we forget, that around 1825, the first passenger rail tracks were opened and in just 50 years the entire country had a fully functioning rail network serving a pre-Great War population of around 40 million people. That vast, brand new rail network was constructed mainly by the labour from a UK population of roughly 25 to 35 million plus many European immigrants.
On 02 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Also Lorraine, there is no way anyone can possibly know that 40% of the worlds wildlife can have disappeared. They can't even put a accurate number on the Polar Bear population...only estimates; and that's just one sub-species. It's all rough estimate, wild guesses and computer models running on inadequate data sets, and that tells us nothing about the true numbers. House Sparrow numbers are easier because they all live and breed under our noses, but thousands of species remain undiscovered, so I reiterate, there is 'no way' that we can possibly have any clue as to what the true numbers are. It's just another abstract, frenetic, media story, which is as empty as Mr Camerons election promises!! *(sells newspapers)*
On 02 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
cont.d ... They say we must reduce, yet all I see government doing is cause an increase in pollution and oil usage. In the same way that Mr Cameron is promising people on the minimum wage who work 30hrs per week will pay zero tax, where is the deal, when people on minimum wage working 30hrs already pay zero tax. Its called "empty promises". It's defrausing the public. They call them "mistruth's", I call them bare faced lies! In a courtroom it would be classed as contempt of court, but in the public domain it's referred to as a broken promise... Multi-class but also multi-standard society. If the oil really were running out, we would all be driving electric cars next Tuesday. But all we see is the same old trickle of new technology (not really new technology, the 1950's saw the first short range electric cars. (In 1875 London had it's first electric underground trains remember)), There are ways that electric cars could be utilised tomorrow, but the oil companies keep moving goalposts.
On 02 Oct 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine... Re: "Al these carbon credits and desperation to cut emissions no one seems to be actually saying it's about time we stop carving up the rural land with more roads which means more cars"..... I don't understand what you mean by "desperation to cut emmisions"? The oil barons have spent the past 100 years planning to get everyone driving a combustion engined vehicle. Then the past 20 years persuading everyone to go 'diesel'. Then all the environmentalists complain about pollution. But government is not interested in cutting pollution. They drove all the clean cars out of London and replaced them with their corporate friends dirty diesel buses and taxi's, then wonder why the pollution levels went up. Added to this, across the whole country, towns, villages and everywhere inbetween are adding Pelican crossings and mini-roundabouts to every stretch of road and every major AND minor junction. The increase in stop - start driving is going exponential, adding even more pollution...
On 02 Oct 2014, Ron Greer wrote:
US Navy now predicting an ice-free Arctic by 2016 despite Danish Met Inst. pointing out that recently the high Arctic has had 4 of the coldest summers on record..
On 01 Oct 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
A grey & cloudy start, 13˚C at 7.30 & feeling mild, but then a NW breeze started up and it felt quite a bit cooler. By lunchtime, however, the cloud fronts had passed and we were once again bathed in sunlight with very few clouds from time to time. It got only to 16˚ max and whenever the sun disappeared behind a cloud it felt immediately much cooler, wind was S in the afternoon. Clear sky at night, only 8˚ by 10pm. The R5 just passed has actually been a boon in our parts, the dry sunny weather made it possible to get on with getting the garden & other things ready for winter.
On 01 Oct 2014, Steve (sub) wrote:
Some very interesting comments including one that building more roads = more cars driving about. Logically though, that would only be true if there is an ever-increasing pool of people from which we get our (roughly constant) percentage of drivers.
That would take us into the whole other debate about rising population and/or migration of people to certain areas/countries.
On the other hand, if the population (and therefore the "demand" in an area is not increasing the only reason in logic that building more roads will = more traffic must be that there is not sufficent road space there yet (and when there finally is, more roads wil just mean more space to drive in.
On 01 Oct 2014, Andy B 45D Farmer sub SE Wales wrote:
Only 16 mm of rain for September bringing the rolling total to1386mm or 55 ins already 10ins over our average with probably more to come, we could do with that dry month the papers and MET O have been forecasting. A nice warm day here with a little drizzle this afternoon.
On 01 Oct 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. After overnight & early morning rain, it is again warm & dry with sunny spells. It was pretty scorchio yesterday for this time of year with a high in East Berks of 24 degs! A rather more modest 20 degs today. My WA October forecast in the most part made for happy reading, as far as I was concerned! As for WWF, surely most people see past the headline grabbing? Lots of campaigning organisations do this. I tend to dismiss all sensational looking headlines with a percentage attached to them as hyperbole.
On 01 Oct 2014, Gerry N Downs 600ft 45d wrote:
I too found the WWF report alarming in that I am alarmed that people actually take their inaccurate drivel seriously. It's utter rubbish from start to finish based on inaccurate surveys and extrapolated computer modelling - sound familiar to anyone? No mention of the snail that was declared extinct in 2007 but inconveniently made a comeback since no survey could possibly cover its complete habit to determine that it wasn't there. WWF is a leftie green pressure group not a source of scientific enlightenment. Reports like this - trumpeted by the loss-making Guardian - are just to help keep the funds rolling in to keep the execs comfortable. Their 'chuggers' will be on the streets near Victoria station soon no doubt saying 'have you seen this devastating report? How mush can I put you down for?'
On 01 Oct 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
I am still picking my jaw up from the floor having read the December forecast. Now is the time to subscribe giving ample time to prepare. An interesting winter ahead. // Surprised how dry the ground is. Lovely thick green grass on top of powdery July like soil! Rain much needed to soften so I can create winter access. Leaves starting to turn and Birch dropping leaves. A fair bit of mulching ahead as I've added a few new beds this year
// Models showing rain and going with that ongoing, no doubt will change when they snag something else. Not so wet in the South. // Climate hypocrites on the march - imagine they were telling us of the evils of drink and demanding tax increases but getting royally drunk themselves then telling us it's fine that the leaders are unable to stand up...but it doesn't matter! Pffft
On 01 Oct 2014, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine :: // an article today in The guardian entitled World has lost half of its wildlife in the last 40 years says WWF is alarming. It's about time we got a grip and the more I read articles like this the more I think all this concern about spending money on wind farms etc, which I have nothing against is detracting from the fact we are decimating the planet through greed of growth. Al these carbon credits and desperation to cut emissions no one seems to be actually saying it's about time we stop carving up the rural land with more roads which means more cars .
On 01 Oct 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
I appreciate your comment Paddy and I agree , I'd rather be aware than ignorant and when I say the link was shocking only the information within as like you say the reality gave me a jolt and opened my eyes wider, I think Steve Mosher has done an amazing job of relaying the truths and the link is good in that way, thanks for sharing it, Cloudy start 15 deg. and just downloaded the October forecast it is worth subscribing ;-)
On 01 Oct 2014, Rhys Jaggar (30 day annual subscriber) wrote:
Fascinating October forecast.....
On 01 Oct 2014, Rhys Jaggar (30 day annual subscriber) wrote:
Strange that Leonardo di Caprio didn't learn his lesson from making The Titanic........
On 01 Oct 2014, Lorraine Lister (sub) NZ wrote:
Here we have the NZ Met Service forecast (predictions) for October http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/10565927/High-seas-batter-Hawkes-Bay-as-spring-sun-retreats It could well be a cool month as October often is but since they can't even forecast a week ahead how can they be so sure? Meanwhile, we've put up a second small greenhouse and any summer crops planted outside will be well covered.
On 01 Oct 2014, Dave (Leicester) wrote:
I just heard Piers on the cult of Nick podcast......
On 30 Sep 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Another lovely mild day (I know, 10 days ago I bored everyone stupid with 'another foggy day'), 10˚C at 7.30, very heavy dew overnight, but soon drying and actually warming up to 20˚, down to 13˚ by 10pm. What's happened to the R5? Atlantic Low held at bay by blocking High? == Maria: when you know one scam, you know them all, 95% of what is drummed into us by various means is either flawed or downright deceitful and it takes time, effort and a lot of cognitive dissonance to struggle free from it. I try to stick to weather here but it is inevitable that we end up at least glancing at other deceptions, the overpopulation narrative is one of them. Sorry that it affected you so but it'll make you stronger for when you uncover other manipulations; waking up is the only remedy, and bear in mind the fact that we got to where we are in spite of all the parasites' efforts to stop us from going where we belong. End of sermon.
On 30 Sep 2014, Lorraine wrote:
Lorraine::: ok so International Business times says The Aralnsea has dried up completely - when you get down to the finer detail of all this its due to human efforts to redirect the water for farms.....
On 30 Sep 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Started 11/12 deg. today to 16 later, Cloudy all day with light to moderate sw winds, drizzle pretty much all day on and off, a little mild and humid but I'm feeling it cooler this eve. than recently, cooler still is expected on Wed night with temp. dropping back to 4-7 at night say met.ie and they say the further outlook into next week is continued cooler fresher weather with rain @ times! The Pumpkins the kids grew are looking very impressive this year they are really chuffed :) Also can't wait to download Oct. 30 day forecast..
On 30 Sep 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
http://metro.co.uk/2014/09/24/britain-looks-forward-to-an-indian-summer-as-warm-weather-predicted-for-october-4879814/
The article above was released almost a week ago but someone from the Met Office was quoted repeating the same tune in yesterday's edition of the Metro. Yawn.
On 29 Sep 2014, Paddy (Aberdeen south, 130m elevation, sub) wrote:
Another lovely R5 day (joke) - Nigella: the R periods are from 1 - 5, occ. 5+ and denote an ascending scale of solar influence on our weather, so when there is an R5 like just now there is going to be a bang somewhere, generally an increase in standard forecast precipitation, winds, temperatures as well as volcanic and earth quake activity. However, there are attenuating features such as =/- one day, blocking Highs, extreme jet stream meanders. In the present period there has been wind and rain but to the NW of us, so we here have gotten away with warm temperatures & little wind. That's as good an explanation I can give at this time of night. == Weather today: brilliantly balmy, 19˚C max from 10˚ at 7.30, 11˚ at 10pm. Lots of lovely cirrus clouds & hazy sunshine, not quite as per Piers, but we might yet get a surprise. Michaelmas today, by the way.
On 29 Sep 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Just watched the Population control link posted by Paddy & Russ, I knew one country limited the amount of births per family but I was shocked as to how they enforced that law and how many countries also took part, I have never seen a link as shocking as this, I have tears rolling down my face, so sad makes me sick to the stomach for those parents and the lives terminated, I never realised the extent of the situation, power so misused everywhere you look, frightening :(
On 29 Sep 2014, Craig M (@craigm350, sub, Berks) wrote:
An entire empire has developed to support the emperors new clothes. Even foreign dignitaries are happy to go along with the madness when it suits their purpose...
"Western countries also need to remove “obstacles such as IPRs [intellectual property rights]” to “promote, facilitate and finance the transfer” of “technologies and know-how” to developing countries in advance of any future climate deal" === http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/china-demand-100-billion-while-they-continue-to-increase-emissions/ ===
Still not a word from the MetO on the Antarctic. Ever get the sense that you are dealing with a child who is pretending you are not there? Why are we going along with their madness? There is nothing going on today that hasn't happened before.
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http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/09/28/jennifer-francis-ignores-the-evidence-of-the-past/
On 29 Sep 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
Gill 16 wow now that's a clan ;P
Steve D Met.ie have been putting more rain into their forecast as of today for the remainder of the week @ times heavy with more wind and for the coming weekend too!-)
On 29 Sep 2014, Nick, Berks wrote:
Steve Devine - was that really a met office quote? Their 30 day forecast as of today on their web site reads rather differently - see http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 6 - 30 day tab
On 29 Sep 2014, Steve Devine (Sub) Waltham Abbey wrote:
Having just reviewed the September forecast I must take my hat off to you Piers - truly well done. General pattern nailed after a disappointing August forecast (thanks Bertha!)
All eyes on October now as the nights draw in and the Met Office harp on about how little rainfall we've had this month. On that note, I read an article in the Metro newspaper this morning in which a member of the Met Office stated "the next 30 days should be mostly dry in the UK". Only time (or Piers!) can tell. ;-)
On 29 Sep 2014, Gill1066 East Sussex (sub) wrote:
Maria (Ireland) - my late mother-in-law was one of 16!
Looking forward to October release. need a drop in temp to wear autumn clothes. We need cold nights as well to turn the leaves. At the moment still too warm at night. Keep throwing the duvet off.
On 29 Sep 2014, Nigella wrote:
Obs from East Berks. Was a great weekend. Bit cloudy & overcast to start with on Saturday but turned into a lovely warm, sunny day. Sunday was even better. Warm hazy sunshine nearly all day. Top temp of 24 degs - amazing for 28th Sept. Still warm today at 18 degs but just had a shower of rain. Can someone explain to me about the R weather periods. Are the R ratings just for general info to be aware for global events? Haven't quite got my head around their significance.
On 29 Sep 2014, Maria ( Ireland sub ) wrote:
The rain did not last much longer last night after my last post on previous thread, I think, can't be sure as I fell asleep, but none the less it rained when met said dry! Foggy mild start 12 deg. Mostly cloudy and 16 now @ 10.46 a.m quite humid as I tackle the jobs I've been putting off outside, feeling the sudden beat of the season to come so tearing around like a loon! Glad you mentioned population control Russ as I disagree with it also, was almost feeling bad about us considering trying for fourth and most likely final nxt yr when I read that comment the other day, so much stigma attached to having 3 or 4 children these days when my grandparents had 7 and 9!-)
On 29 Sep 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
volume 2...... The fish stocks have been lowered in some local areas, and where they were once plentiful fishermen are finding reduced catches. But the fish have moved. There's truth in the theory that slightly warmer currents than normal are moving fish stocks away from their usual homes but I've also read where fish such as Cod are moving to slightly deeper waters to escape the warmer surface waters. The evidence seems to show that in those vast oceans, the fish are starting to move around, not disappear due to over fishing. And how come chip shops and Tesco's freezers have no problems supplying all the Cod we can eat if the stocks are so low?? They are trying to get people to eat different types of fish to lessen the effect on Cod numbers. Nope! Don't believe that! Catching Cod is an expensive task, but lots of other, extremely plentiful fish, are not. It's down to cost cutting. Oil stocks low? Raise prices. Fish stocks low? Raise prices. Keep following the logic folks...
On 29 Sep 2014, Russ subs NE Derbyshire wrote:
Lorraine...Re:population control comment in last thread. Did you really post that comment? I think you need to see the darker side of population control. Try this lecture. The link came from Paddy in the previous thread >> http://youtu.be/9lfhkn96j7w << As for fish stocks, even on a local scale in shallow seas (where monitoring is easy and 'is' being carried out), the local migration of eels and fish have been found to be changing. Slightly warmer waters from undersea volcanic activity, a lot of it from the waters around Iceland (Gulf Stream currents push this warmed water toward Britain), are warming the North Sea just slightly and the fish are reacting to this by moving into water that's a little cooler, at the temperature they prefer, which just happens to be a bit farther north. Observations bear this out. But it's not CO2 that's warming the seas. That would be like trying to warm a tin bath full of water with a candle. cont'd...
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